Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Rewrite of RTT estimation section (#2592)
Jana Iyengar <notifications@github.com> Tue, 09 April 2019 01:17 UTC
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Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Rewrite of RTT estimation section (#2592)
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janaiyengar commented on this pull request. Thanks for your comments, @martinthomson > ~~~ latest_rtt = ack_time - send_time_of_largest_acked ~~~ -First RTT sample: +An endpoint uses only locally observed times in generating RTT samples and does +not correct for any host delays reported by the peer ({{ack-delay}}). + +An RTT sample MUST NOT be generated for a packet that is not newly acknowledged. Samples are generated using both the packet and the ack, so I have used "for packet" a couple of times. I like your phrasing better though, so using it. > +the RTT samples. + +smoothed_rtt estimates path latency by correcting RTT samples for peer-reported +host delays ({{ack-delay}}). A peer indicates that the peer's delay in sending +an acknowledgement for an ack-eliciting packet will be no greater than the +max_ack_delay transport parameter. Consequently, when a peer reports an Ack +Delay that is greater than max_ack_delay, the delay is attributed to reasons out +of the peer's control, such as scheduler latency at the peer or loss of previous +ACK frames. Any delays beyond the peer's max_ack_delay are therefore considered +effectively part of path delay and incorporated into the smoothed_rtt estimate. + +When correcting an RTT sample using peer-reported acknowledgement delays, an +endpoint: + +- SHOULD use the lesser of the value reported in Ack Delay field of the ACK + frame and the peer's max_ack_delay transport parameter ({{ack-delay}}). Fair point. Ultimately, this is bounded by another value that the peer advertises (max_ack_delay), so there's no additional safety issue here. > +effectively part of path delay and incorporated into the smoothed_rtt estimate. + +When correcting an RTT sample using peer-reported acknowledgement delays, an +endpoint: + +- SHOULD use the lesser of the value reported in Ack Delay field of the ACK + frame and the peer's max_ack_delay transport parameter ({{ack-delay}}). + +- MUST not apply the correction if the resulting RTT sample is smaller than the + min_rtt. This limits the underestimation that a misreporting peer can cause + to the smoothed_rtt. + +On the first RTT sample in a connection, the smoothed_rtt is set to the +latest_rtt. The peer-reported host delay MUST NOT be used on the first sample, +since correcting for it would result in a smoothed_rtt that is smaller than the +min_rtt. I think the way the text flows now makes this statement moot. I'm removing it. > ~~~ -min_rtt = min(min_rtt, latest_rtt) -ack_delay = min(ack_delay, max_ack_delay) -if (ack_delay + min_rtt < latest_rtt): +ack_delay = min(Ack Delay in ACK Frame, max_ack_delay) +if (min_rtt + ack_delay < latest_rtt): latest_rtt = latest_rtt - ack_delay Good point. Changed. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2592#pullrequestreview-224148974
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