Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] QUIC Version Ossification (#2496)

martinduke <> Tue, 23 July 2019 17:51 UTC

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Although I might quibble over details, I definitely support option 2 (Marten's proposal). It is one of two proposals that actually prevent ossification, as @huitema points out. Doing it in TLS introduces some dependencies on TLS people to agree to implement ESNI.

I propose that we restore the downgrade protection text and move forward with Option 2. I would like to note that it is not strictly necessary that the rest go out with v1 -- we just need a draft that a critical mass of servers and clients agree to support.

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