Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remove ack_delay_exponent TP (#2670)
MikkelFJ <notifications@github.com> Wed, 10 July 2019 09:34 UTC
Return-Path: <noreply@github.com>
X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61F821200FA for <quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 10 Jul 2019 02:34:32 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -6.596
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.596 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id suTEzWhElnIz for <quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 10 Jul 2019 02:34:30 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from out-22.smtp.github.com (out-22.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 04A12120099 for <quic-issues@ietf.org>; Wed, 10 Jul 2019 02:34:29 -0700 (PDT)
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 02:34:28 -0700
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1562751268; bh=Hi57iufC1vLIuCXmcBmrQVp3TAQ8FKd7sGtwnESYHeY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=VXnL9ErjKKjrHwzGNWtWkrWdQgsnL0F3Rb/+UHVdb/Z5yQlJ8n/OTmKD0XzlNPOVk QzoM3pvsgEeuQLYW0j3/80/XZFzz+Q69ILFu8I0E1qU/JxSpO5n4xZsJjcbfP7ykOW R2H66Cw9ldFSvILi3RWilX5o8dUH6Ya+UYsiemi8=
From: MikkelFJ <notifications@github.com>
Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts <reply+AFTOJKZ2CXDDQ53ECZ45WWV3GLR2JEVBNHHBUTIZ2M@reply.github.com>
To: quicwg/base-drafts <base-drafts@noreply.github.com>
Cc: Subscribed <subscribed@noreply.github.com>
Message-ID: <quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2670/509988126@github.com>
In-Reply-To: <quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2670@github.com>
References: <quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2670@github.com>
Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remove ack_delay_exponent TP (#2670)
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d25b124424d7_b9b3fdb854cd95c7686ce"; charset="UTF-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Precedence: list
X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj
X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues
X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed
X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All
X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/quic-issues/9WGnL6nuAdFPe7W3pGMmwduIPDM>
X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG <quic-issues.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/quic-issues>, <mailto:quic-issues-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/quic-issues/>
List-Post: <mailto:quic-issues@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:quic-issues-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/quic-issues>, <mailto:quic-issues-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 09:34:32 -0000
So I'm am one the few holding out for shift. I disagree with many of the arguments made on shift being imprecise, but I come to some of the same conclusion @kazuho has recently posted: The encoded can choose its multiplier. It can choose one that it is a power of 2. The native representation of time my require scaling anyway, so you might end up with a non-power of two. However, this is typically a constant, and division by a constant is multiplication if you do it compile time. It is a long multiplication which is slower, but not that much. Therefore I am reverting on my stance and think that a multiplier is acceptable, as long as it can be chosen statically for the application, or it can choose a power of 2 dynamically. More generally I still think it is a problem to guess the time scale and would like to have an adaptive scale without transport parameters, using 16 bit unsigned floats, but there is zero traction on that here. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2670#issuecomment-509988126
- [quicwg/base-drafts] Remove ack_delay_exponent TP… Nick Banks
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remove ack_delay_exponen… ianswett
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remove ack_delay_exponen… Marten Seemann
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remove ack_delay_exponen… ianswett
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remove ack_delay_exponen… Nick Banks
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remove ack_delay_exponen… Nick Banks
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remove ack_delay_exponen… ianswett
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remove ack_delay_exponen… Nick Banks
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remove ack_delay_exponen… Kazuho Oku
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remove ack_delay_exponen… Jana Iyengar
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remove ack_delay_exponen… Nick Banks
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remove ack_delay_exponen… Kazuho Oku
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remove ack_delay_exponen… Jana Iyengar
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remove ack_delay_exponen… Martin Thomson
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remove ack_delay_exponen… MikkelFJ
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remove ack_delay_exponen… ianswett
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remove ack_delay_exponen… Nick Banks
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remove ack_delay_exponen… MikkelFJ
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remove ack_delay_exponen… Nick Banks
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remove ack_delay_exponen… MikkelFJ
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remove ack_delay_exponen… ianswett
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remove ack_delay_exponen… Kazuho Oku
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remove ack_delay_exponen… MikkelFJ
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remove ack_delay_exponen… Kazuho Oku
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remove ack_delay_exponen… ianswett
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remove ack_delay_exponen… MikkelFJ
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remove ack_delay_exponen… Kazuho Oku
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remove ack_delay_exponen… MikkelFJ
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remove ack_delay_exponen… Kazuho Oku
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remove ack_delay_exponen… MikkelFJ
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remove ack_delay_exponen… MikkelFJ
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remove ack_delay_exponen… Nick Banks
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remove ack_delay_exponen… Jana Iyengar
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remove ack_delay_exponen… Christian Huitema
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remove ack_delay_exponen… Martin Thomson
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remove ack_delay_exponen… Nick Banks
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remove ack_delay_exponen… ianswett
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remove ack_delay_exponen… Marten Seemann
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remove ack_delay_exponen… MikkelFJ
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remove ack_delay_exponen… Christian Huitema
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remove ack_delay_exponen… Kazuho Oku
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remove ack_delay_exponen… MikkelFJ
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remove ack_delay_exponen… Martin Thomson
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remove ack_delay_exponen… Marten Seemann
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remove ack_delay_exponen… Martin Thomson
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remove ack_delay_exponen… ianswett
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remove ack_delay_exponen… Kazuho Oku
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remove ack_delay_exponen… Martin Thomson
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remove ack_delay_exponen… Martin Thomson
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remove ack_delay_exponen… MikkelFJ
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remove ack_delay_exponen… MikkelFJ
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remove ack_delay_exponen… Martin Thomson
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remove ack_delay_exponen… Jana Iyengar
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remove ack_delay_exponen… Lars Eggert
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remove ack_delay_exponen… Lars Eggert
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remove ack_delay_exponen… Martin Thomson
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remove ack_delay_exponen… MikkelFJ
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remove ack_delay_exponen… Christian Huitema
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remove ack_delay_exponen… MikkelFJ
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remove ack_delay_exponen… Martin Thomson