Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Make ALPN mandatory in QUIC-via-TLS (#2263)

Lucas Pardue <notifications@github.com> Thu, 27 December 2018 19:16 UTC

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@kazuho I don't see read any optionality, so perhaps this is the ambiguity in the spec. (FWIW optionality of client authentication is explicitly highlighted in that section).

I also share your concerns about mandating ALPN. There still seem to be a few open questions about de-multiplexing different UDP-based protocols when a server listens on the same port - how does ALPN for QUIC mitigate that?

We also have WIP like DATAGRAM frame that are proposing use of TP for enabling the transport-layer feature that could be used by an application to talk arbitrary protocols. 

It seems like ALPN is too rigid a model to support multiple application layers within a single QUIC connection.

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