Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Timing side-channel on key updates (#2792)

Marten Seemann <notifications@github.com> Fri, 14 June 2019 14:29 UTC

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> Does anyone have any ideas what kind of actual attack could take advantage of this?

That's a good question. I agree that this attack vector doesn't look very promising at first sight, but then again I'm always surprised what cryptanalysts can extract from a single bit.

> The attacker can only cause you to install your keys early once per key phase change.

That depends. If you create the new keys, try decrypt the packet, and then discard the keys (if decryption fails), the attacker has an unbounded number of tries. Obviously, this would also be a DoS vector, since computing new keys is more than order of magnitude more expensive than an AEAD operation (at least in my implementation). If you cache the new keys once they are computed, then the attacker indeed only has a single shot per key phase. However, then you might as precompute the new keys when installing the current key phase.
The problem with that is that the spec currently suggests that you only ever need to keep state for 2 key generations at any given moment. This is incompatible with caching the keys for the next key phase, as I described above.

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