[quicwg/base-drafts] Include epoch in the AAD or the nonce? (#3661)
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Over in TLS we have been discussing the data which is included in the AEAD transform. 1. Some parts of the context for encryption (epoch, length, etc.) are implicit. 2. The AD only covers the bits on the wire. This intuitively seems like it ought to be OK because these values do affect how the protection is done, but only implicitly. For instance, length delineates the data, the packet number/record sequence number controls the nonce, etc., but nevertheless only some of these values are in the AD. It turns out that there is a bit of a gap between analysis we have of this so far and the current state, and specifically we don't have analysis of the epoch, which is sent only partially in both QUIC and DTLS [0]. Note that QUIC is actually worse than DTLS here because in DTLS the epoch is folded into the sequence number used to make the nonce, but in QUIC the nonce is just the packet number. This issue is intended to raise the question of if we should revisit that, for instance by putting the epoch in the AD. [0] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tls/Ri33zZmFNb1kZ4HToDHs9cDDTPY/ -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3661
- [quicwg/base-drafts] Include epoch in the AAD or … ekr
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Include epoch in the AAD… ekr
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Include epoch in the AAD… Kazuho Oku
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Include epoch in the AAD… Martin Thomson
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Include epoch in the AAD… ekr
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Include epoch in the AAD… Martin Thomson
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Include epoch in the AAD… Kazuho Oku
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Include epoch in the AAD… Martin Thomson
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Include epoch in the AAD… ianswett
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Include epoch in the AAD… Felix Günther
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Include epoch in the AAD… Lars Eggert
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Include epoch in the AAD… ekr
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Include epoch in the AAD… Lars Eggert
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Include epoch in the AAD… David Schinazi
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Include epoch in the AAD… Lucas Pardue
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Include epoch in the AAD… Lucas Pardue
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Include epoch in the AAD… Lucas Pardue