Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] 5tuple routing (#3536)
ianswett <notifications@github.com> Sat, 21 March 2020 19:03 UTC
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Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] 5tuple routing (#3536)
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ianswett commented on this pull request. > +## Considerations for 5-tuple routing architectures + +QUIC servers can be deployed behind a 5-tuple based routing architecture that +delivers packets based on both the source and destination IP addresses and +ports. In such an architecture, clients that change IP address or port are +likely to be routed to a different server. There are several actions that can +mitigate or resolve operational and security issues in this case. + +* Servers can use an out-of-band mechanism to deliver packets to the correct +destination or transfer state from the original destination. Properly designed, +this completely solves the problem and no further measures are necessary. + +* Sending the disable_active_migration transport parameter informs the client +that any address change is likely to terminate the connection, which can lead it +to use more aggressive timeouts or terminate connections when its IP address +changes. The more aggressive timeouts idea is new to me. I think if the server wants a shorter idle timeout, it should specify that in the handshake via transport params. > +delivers packets based on both the source and destination IP addresses and +ports. In such an architecture, clients that change IP address or port are +likely to be routed to a different server. There are several actions that can +mitigate or resolve operational and security issues in this case. + +* Servers can use an out-of-band mechanism to deliver packets to the correct +destination or transfer state from the original destination. Properly designed, +this completely solves the problem and no further measures are necessary. + +* Sending the disable_active_migration transport parameter informs the client +that any address change is likely to terminate the connection, which can lead it +to use more aggressive timeouts or terminate connections when its IP address +changes. + +* The preferred_address transport parameter can provide a path that does not use +the 5-tuple based routers. So can the original path? I suspect you have something in mind here, but I'm not completely sure what that is, so it might need to be spelled out more. > +likely to be routed to a different server. There are several actions that can +mitigate or resolve operational and security issues in this case. + +* Servers can use an out-of-band mechanism to deliver packets to the correct +destination or transfer state from the original destination. Properly designed, +this completely solves the problem and no further measures are necessary. + +* Sending the disable_active_migration transport parameter informs the client +that any address change is likely to terminate the connection, which can lead it +to use more aggressive timeouts or terminate connections when its IP address +changes. + +* The preferred_address transport parameter can provide a path that does not use +the 5-tuple based routers. + +* Servers MUST either use different Stateless Reset Token keys, or encode the I'm not a big fan of having a MUST in this section. If we need a restriction like this, I think it should be in the section on stateless resets. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3536#pullrequestreview-378942766
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