Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] token-based greasing / initial packet protection (#3166)
Kazuho Oku <notifications@github.com> Wed, 30 October 2019 02:30 UTC
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kazuho commented on this pull request. > +NEW_TOKEN frame, the server generates the alternative initial salt by calling a +pseudo-random function, embeds that initial salt into the token which is then +encrypted, and sends a NEW_TOKEN frame that comprises of the generated token and +the alternative initial set. + +When the client reconnects to the server by using the provided token and the +alternative initial set, the server first checks if the version number field of +the incoming packet contains one of the alternative version numbers it +advertises, then if that is the case, applies the corresponding packet type +modifier to recover the correct packet type. If the recovered packet type is an +Initial packet and that packet contains a NEW_TOKEN token, the server decrypts +the embedded token and recovers the alternative initial salt, uses that to +decrypt the payload of the Initial packet. + +When the server is incapable of determining the alternative initial salt, it can +send a Version Negotiation packet that instructs the client to use the default @martinthomson I think the design principle behind this PR that I have are: * passive attack does not reveal the payload * active attack can lead to the payload being revealed, but is detectable by the endpoints and thereby disrupts the handshake * handshake falls back to v1 when the server forgets the token encryption key As I think the issue pointed out by @DavidSchinazi is addressable (see my comment above), I think we might stick to the principle and how it evolves. If we conclude that the design based on the principle is simple enough, then we'd be fine. If not, we can consider the alternatives. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3166#discussion_r340407134
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