Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Handling of duplicate packets (#1405)
Kazuho Oku <notifications@github.com> Thu, 31 May 2018 23:48 UTC
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Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Handling of duplicate packets (#1405)
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> One thing we need to observe is that we won't be checking that the packet is a true duplicate, only that we've (probably) seen the (apparent) packet number before. :+1: I would like to argue that, the QUIC protocol needs to and will have idempotency against receiving and processing duplicate packets, and that checking for a duplicate should not be a requirement of the protocol. Regarding the effect to ECN, I tend to think that processing of duplicates at an endpoint is an orthogonal issue to ECN, because both ECN-CE-marked and non-marked packets have the chance of binge dropped or duplicated. IMO, the requirement in ECN support should be to state that the ECN counters (i.e. ECN(0), ECN(1), ECN-CE) must be updated _prior to_ processing the packet (e.g., decryption, duplicate detection). Then, the sender can get the most information for adjusting the congestion control. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1405#issuecomment-393716871
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Handling of duplicate pa… Kazuho Oku
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Handling of duplicate pa… Magnus Westerlund
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Handling of duplicate pa… Magnus Westerlund
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Handling of duplicate pa… Kazuho Oku
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Handling of duplicate pa… MikkelFJ
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Handling of duplicate pa… MikkelFJ
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Handling of duplicate pa… Magnus Westerlund
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Handling of duplicate pa… MikkelFJ
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Handling of duplicate pa… Magnus Westerlund
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Handling of duplicate pa… Kazuho Oku
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Handling of duplicate pa… Christian Huitema
- [quicwg/base-drafts] Handling of duplicate packet… Magnus Westerlund
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Handling of duplicate pa… Mike Bishop
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Handling of duplicate pa… Mike Bishop
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Handling of duplicate pa… ianswett
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Handling of duplicate pa… Martin Thomson
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Handling of duplicate pa… Kazuho Oku
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Handling of duplicate pa… Martin Thomson
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Handling of duplicate pa… Kazuho Oku
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Handling of duplicate pa… Magnus Westerlund
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Handling of duplicate pa… Kazuho Oku
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Handling of duplicate pa… Martin Thomson