Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Persistent Congestion Time Threshold (#2365)
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Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Persistent Congestion Time Threshold (#2365)
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janaiyengar commented on this pull request. > + t=1 | Send Pkt #2 (PTO 1) + t=3 | Send Pkt #3 (PTO 2) + t=7 | Send Pkt #4 (PTO 3) + t=8 | Recv ACK of Pkt #4 + +The first three packets are determined to be lost when the ACK of packet 4 is +received at t=8. The congestion period is calculated as the time between the +oldest and newest lost packets: (3 - 0) = 3. The duration for persistent +congestion is equal to: (1 * ((2 ^ 2) - 1)) = 3. Because the threshold was +reached, the network is considered to have experienced persistent congestion. + +When persistent congestion is established, the sender's congestion window MUST +be reduced to the minimum congestion window (kMinimumWindow). This response of +collapsing the congestion window on persistent congestion is functionally +similar to a sender's response on a Retransmission Timeout (RTO) in TCP +{{RFC5681}}. ```suggestion {{RFC5681}} after Tail Loss Probes (TLP) {{TLP}}. ``` > @@ -1282,15 +1309,28 @@ Invoked by loss detection from DetectLostPackets when new packets are detected lost. ~~~ + InPersistentCongestion(congestion_period): + pto = smoothed_rtt + 4 * rttvar + max_ack_delay + return + congestion_period > + pto * (2 ^ kPersistentCongestionThreshold - 1) editorial nit: this looks a bit confusing because 'return' is on a line by itself. How about: return congestion_period > pto * (2 ^ kPersistentCongestionThreshold - 1) > When an ACK frame is received that establishes loss of all in-flight packets -sent prior to a threshold number of consecutive PTOs (pto_count is more than -kPersistentCongestionThreshold, see {{cc-consts-of-interest}}), the network is -considered to be experiencing persistent congestion, and the sender's congestion -window MUST be reduced to the minimum congestion window (kMinimumWindow). This -response of collapsing the congestion window on persistent congestion is -functionally similar to a sender's response on a Retransmission Timeout (RTO) in -TCP {{RFC5681}}. +sent over a long enough period of time, the network is considered to be +experiencing persistent congestion. Commonly, this can be established by +consecutive PTOs, but since the PTO timer is reset when a new ack-eliciting +packet is sent, an explicit duration must be used to account for those cases +where PTOs do not occur or are substantially delayed. This duration is the +equivalent of kPersistentCongestionThreshold consecutive PTOS, smoothed_rtt + +4 * rttvar + max_ack_delay * ((2 ^ kPersistentCongestionThreshold) - 1). Agreed that it seems odd to backoff on max_ack_delay. @ianswett : Let's do that separately. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2365#pullrequestreview-201433164
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