Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Persistent congestion interaction with app limited state (#2593)

ianswett <notifications@github.com> Wed, 10 April 2019 19:21 UTC

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There's text on this edge case, but not the interaction with persistent congestion.
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-recovery-19#section-6.3.2
"When a PTO timer expires, new or previously-sent data may not be
   available to send and packets may still be in flight.  A sender can
   be blocked from sending new data in the future if packets are left in
   flight.  Under these conditions, a sender SHOULD mark any packets
   still in flight as lost.  If a sender wishes to establish delivery of
   packets still in flight, it MAY send an ack-eliciting packet and re-
   arm the PTO timer instead."

I think if you follow either suggestion listed, you shouldn't inadvertently declare persistent congestion from being idle, since in one case you immediately declare packet loss and in the other, you'd only declare persistent congestion if the subsequent PTOs established it?

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