Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] 5tuple routing (#3536)
Kazuho Oku <notifications@github.com> Thu, 26 March 2020 23:38 UTC
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Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] 5tuple routing (#3536)
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@kazuho commented on this pull request. Thank you for the changes. Looks fine to me, with one editorial concern below. > @@ -6387,6 +6387,36 @@ following properties: Note that these guarantees are the same guarantees provided for any NAT, for the same reasons. +## Considerations for 5-tuple routing architectures + +QUIC servers can be deployed behind a 5-tuple based routing architecture that +delivers packets based on both the source and destination IP addresses and +ports. In such an architecture, clients that change IP address or port are +likely to be routed to a different server. There are several actions that can +mitigate or resolve operational and security issues in this case. + +* Servers can use an out-of-band mechanism to deliver packets to the correct +destination or transfer state from the original destination. + +* If the server has another address where the 5-tuple based routers are not on- +path, the preferred_address transport parameter can communicate that address and +thus support changing client IP addresses without difficulty. The text sounds a bit too affirmative to me. Not all clients would support the preferred_address TP, even those supporting the TP might have reasons not to migrate to the preferred address. All the server can do is *hope* that they would migrate. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3536#pullrequestreview-382491874
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