Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Consequences of bad ECN markings (#1626)
Martin Thomson <notifications@github.com> Thu, 02 August 2018 00:05 UTC
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Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Consequences of bad ECN markings (#1626)
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martinthomson commented on this pull request. > +peer. Suppressing reports of ECN-CE markings could cause a peer to increase +their send rate. This increase could result in congestion and loss. + +An endpoint MAY attempt to detect suppression of reports by marking occasional +packets that they send with ECN-CE. If a packet marked with ECN-CE is not +reported as having been marked when the packet is acknowledged, the endpoint +SHOULD then disable ECN for that path. + +Reporting additional ECN-CE markings will cause a peer to reduce their sending +rate, which is similar in effect to advertising reduced connection flow control +limits and so no advantage is gained by doing so. + +Endpoints choose the congestion controller that they use. Though congestion +controllers ideally use reports of ECN markings as input, the exact response for +each controller could be different. Failure to correctly respond to information +about ECN markings is therefore difficult to detect. Would this be better if it said "Though congestion controllers generally treat reports of ECN-CE markings as equivalent to loss [RFC8311], the exact response for each controller could be different." ? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1626#discussion_r207068135
- [quicwg/base-drafts] Consequences of bad ECN mark… Martin Thomson
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Consequences of bad ECN … Christian Huitema
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Consequences of bad ECN … mirjak
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Consequences of bad ECN … ianswett
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Consequences of bad ECN … mirjak
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Consequences of bad ECN … ianswett
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Consequences of bad ECN … Martin Thomson
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Consequences of bad ECN … mirjak
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Consequences of bad ECN … Martin Thomson
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Consequences of bad ECN … Martin Thomson
- Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Consequences of bad ECN … ianswett