Re: Interim meeting request for slides on multipath QUIC use cases and requirements

Mikkel Fahnøe Jørgensen <mikkelfj@gmail.com> Wed, 14 October 2020 15:53 UTC

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Subject: Re: Interim meeting request for slides on multipath QUIC use cases and requirements
To: Gorry Fairhurst <gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk>, Martin Duke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com>
Cc: Lars Eggert <lars@eggert.org>, IETF QUIC WG <quic@ietf.org>, Lucas Pardue <lucaspardue.24.7@gmail.com>, Spencer Dawkins at IETF <spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com>
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Failover only works for clients. For server p2p you do not have such a
fallback and servers often have a private and a public IP.

Kind Regards,
Mikkel Fahnøe Jørgensen


On 14 October 2020 at 17.49.05, Martin Duke (martin.h.duke@gmail.com) wrote:

Gorry, that is my understanding as well. If we don't have failover, we've
messed up in some way.

On Wed, Oct 14, 2020 at 3:23 AM Gorry Fairhurst <gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk>
wrote:

> Maybe it's just me - but I would be super-interesting in checking that I
> really understand what the migration feature of QUIC would give us if
> there was a change in connectivity.
>
> Am I correct, in seeing QUIC as already having (or nearly having) a path
> failover method - similar to SCTP failover? ... where multiple paths are
> kept alive, but only one path is used at a time for data. Can some
> problems be solved by a simple failover method?
>
> To me multipath, is where performance optimisation questions are solved
> - such as how to have simultaneous use of capacity across multiple paths
> (some people call this bonding), or scheduling across paths to
> minimising the delay, or one of many other metrics.
>
> Just a thought on what might be useful to me to see in some slides ....
> perhaps before we delive into the details of policies and scheduling.
>
> Gorry
>
>
> On 14/10/2020 10:45, Lars Eggert wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > On 2020-10-13, at 18:35, Spencer Dawkins at IETF <
> spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> I'd like to do one or two slides, five minutes max, on the multipath
> modes that are under discussion in 3GPP SA2, from my perspective as an
> individual.
> > I think that would be helpful, and so far there are no other offers to
> summarize those use case requirements.
> >
> >> When do you need the slides?
> > Monday at the latest?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Lars
>
>
>