Re: Call for Adoption: draft-pauly-quic-datagram

Lucas Pardue <lucaspardue.24.7@gmail.com> Thu, 12 December 2019 01:07 UTC

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From: Lucas Pardue <lucaspardue.24.7@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2019 01:07:23 +0000
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Subject: Re: Call for Adoption: draft-pauly-quic-datagram
To: Jana Iyengar <jri.ietf@gmail.com>
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I support adoption of this draft but will note that in the abstract sense
it is hard to reason about the design of DATAGRAM and hard to interop
without an application of it. Since the round of call for adoption does not
incorporate an application, I have concern about the scope. I wrote up
SiDUCK [1] as means to an end, there are probably better ways to make us
comfortable as a WG.

[1] - https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-pardue-quic-siduck-0

On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 11:03 PM Jana Iyengar <jri.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

> I support adoption of this document.
>
> This is a natural extension to QUIC and there are multiple implementations
> and side-conversations happening already, and as I understand it, there is
> some deployment experience.
>
> One note however. Per my read, this is the first extension that extends
> the functionality of QUIC beyond the charter's original conception of it
> for HTTP. Many things are possible with QUIC, but the things we want to
> standardize are the things that are likely to be used. There's no better
> argument for useful extensions than a discussion of actual deployment where
> it exists.. It enables others to use it similarly, and importantly, it
> informs why the mechanism is designed so. I would have hoped for more
> active discussions around current uses of this extension where it exists,
> including deployment experience where it exists. Perhaps the authors can
> take this as feedback going forward.
>
> - jana
>
> On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 2:00 PM Mikkel Fahnøe Jørgensen <
> mikkelfj@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Yes, datagrams are important for custom protocols.
>>
>>
>> On 11 December 2019 at 22.49.23, Victor Vasiliev (
>> vasilvv=40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org) wrote:
>>
>> I support adoption of this draft.  We already support a version of this
>> in gQUIC and I am willing to work on making sure it's interoperable with
>> other implementations.
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 11, 2019, 13:36 Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot..net
>> <mnot@mnot.net>> wrote:
>>
>>> This is a Call for Adoption of the following document:
>>>   https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-pauly-quic-datagram-05
>>>
>>> The Working Group has discussed this document for some time, most
>>> recently in Singapore.
>>>
>>> Please state whether you support adoption of the document by the Working
>>> Group, and any additional information that you feel may be helpful.
>>>
>>> This call will end on 15 January 2020.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> --
>>> Mark Nottingham   https://www.mnot.net/
>>>
>>>