Re: Proposal: Run QUIC over DTLS

Ted Hardie <> Tue, 06 March 2018 00:11 UTC

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Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2018 16:10:39 -0800
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Subject: Re: Proposal: Run QUIC over DTLS
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Hi Eric,

I haven't read the proposal yet, but one very quick process point:

On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 3:05 PM, Eric Rescorla <> wrote:

> The hackathon would be a good opportunity to have a face to face chat
> about this in addition to on-list discussion.
> It's quite late for folks to change their plans if they were not
previously going to the hackathon or had other hacking to do there, so I
believe that it is not appropriate to use this time.   (In addition to a
distraction from the actually coding folks might hope to get done).

Given that this is, after all, a proposed change to both charter and work
plan, so I think it belongs on the list.