Re: New Plaintext QUIC-LB Design
Christian Huitema <huitema@huitema.net> Tue, 12 January 2021 01:54 UTC
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Subject: Re: New Plaintext QUIC-LB Design
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On 1/11/2021 5:22 PM, Martin Duke wrote: > Perhaps I should make some edits for clarity! > > On Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 16:52 Christian Huitema <huitema@huitema.net > <mailto:huitema@huitema.net>> wrote: > > I am looking at the text of section 4.2, and I am not sure how I > would implement that. What should be the value of the config > rotation bits in CID created by the server? > > Any config includes the corresponding CR bits, and when generating the > CID it would use those bits. > > The confusing part is that, for this algorithm, a usable SID has to be > extracted from any CID, hence all the weird stuff about CIDs with > undefined configs. > > Aside from that, it's like PCID: any server-generated CID uses the CR > bits in the config, optional length encoding, SID, server-use octets. > > Should the 6 other bits in the first octet be set to a CID Len or > to a random value? > > It depends on the rest of the config, as with the other algorithms. > > Issss the timer set when the server ID is first added to the > table, or is the timer reset each time a packet is received with > that CID? In the latter case, is it reset when any packet is > received, or only when a "first initial" packet is received? > > When any packet is received with that SID (not CID), the expiration is > refreshed. OK. So we can have the following: 1) Server learns of Server-ID = X. 2) Server creates new CID with that server ID, uses it to complete handshake. 3) Client maintains a long running connection with that CID. 4) Server keeps receiving messages with CID pointing to server-ID = X 5) server-ID=X never expires. Is that by design? -- Christian Huitema
- New Plaintext QUIC-LB Design Martin Duke
- Re: New Plaintext QUIC-LB Design Dmitri Tikhonov
- Re: New Plaintext QUIC-LB Design Mikkel Fahnøe Jørgensen
- Re: New Plaintext QUIC-LB Design Martin Duke
- Re: New Plaintext QUIC-LB Design Mikkel Fahnøe Jørgensen
- Re: New Plaintext QUIC-LB Design Mikkel Fahnøe Jørgensen
- Re: New Plaintext QUIC-LB Design Christian Huitema
- Re: New Plaintext QUIC-LB Design Martin Duke
- Re: New Plaintext QUIC-LB Design Martin Duke
- Re: New Plaintext QUIC-LB Design Christian Huitema
- Re: New Plaintext QUIC-LB Design Martin Duke
- Re: New Plaintext QUIC-LB Design Martin Duke
- Re: New Plaintext QUIC-LB Design Nick Banks
- Re: New Plaintext QUIC-LB Design Mikkel Fahnøe Jørgensen
- Re: New Plaintext QUIC-LB Design Mikkel Fahnøe Jørgensen
- Re: New Plaintext QUIC-LB Design Martin Duke
- Re: New Plaintext QUIC-LB Design Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: New Plaintext QUIC-LB Design Martin Duke