Re: Consensus on Deploying QUIC v1 with HTTP/3

Lucas Pardue <lucaspardue.24.7@gmail.com> Thu, 06 May 2021 16:06 UTC

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From: Lucas Pardue <lucaspardue.24.7@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 6 May 2021 17:06:02 +0100
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Subject: Re: Consensus on Deploying QUIC v1 with HTTP/3
To: Spencer Dawkins at IETF <spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com>
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Hi Spencer,


On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 4:18 PM Spencer Dawkins at IETF <
spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> The QUIC working group could reasonably do a short Applicability Statement
> (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc
> <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc2026#section-3.2>
> 2026#section-3.2
> <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc2026#section-3.2>) that (as
> part of the RFC 2026 description)
>
>    An AS identifies the relevant TSs and the specific way in which they
>    are to be combined, and may also specify particular values or ranges
>    of TS parameters or subfunctions of a TS protocol that must be
>    implemented.  An AS also specifies the circumstances in which the use
>    of a particular TS is required, recommended, or elective (see section <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc2026#section-3.3>
>    3.3 <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc2026#section-3.3>).
>
>
> And THEN, we could just refer to one specification that explained what we
> mean when we say "QUICv1", or "core QUIC", or whatever we want to call it,
> and everyone would know what we mean, without having to guess. This would
> be especially helpful for participants in other SDOs, but not only for
> them.
>
> I'm not sure whether the QUIC community would ever advance QUICv1 to full
> Internet Standard, when it would become eligible for a STD  designation
> that could include the relevant RFCs, but even if you do, that's probably
> years in the future (and a lot of successful IETF protocols don't advance
> beyond Proposed Standard).
>
> If that was the right thing to do, I'd be happy to knock out a -00. Please
> advise.
>

The document draft-ietf-quic-transport contains in the first paragraph of
Section 1:

>   QUIC is a secure general-purpose transport protocol.  This document
>   defines version 1 of QUIC, which conforms to the version-independent
>   properties of QUIC defined in [QUIC-INVARIANTS].

Subsequent paragraphs go on to explain how -tls and -recovery relate to the
-transport document. That seems to cover your goal of pointing people to a
single document explaining the relationships between documents. But if I'm
overlooking something please say.

Cheers
Lucas