Re: A non-TLS standard is needed

"Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com> Sun, 26 April 2020 19:32 UTC

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From: "Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com>
To: Paul Vixie <paul@redbarn.org>, quic <quic@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: A non-TLS standard is needed
Thread-Topic: A non-TLS standard is needed
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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2020 19:31:28 +0000
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Paul,

Thanks for sharing your view.

I'm not participating in that discussion.