Re: Call for Adoption: draft-duke-quic-load-balancers

Mikkel Fahnøe Jørgensen <mikkelfj@gmail.com> Thu, 12 December 2019 14:40 UTC

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Subject: Re: Call for Adoption: draft-duke-quic-load-balancers
To: Dmitri Tikhonov <dtikhonov@litespeedtech.com>, Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net>
Cc: Lars Eggert <lars@eggert.org>, IETF QUIC WG <quic@ietf.org>
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I’m concerned that the current form does not allow for long lived
connections along with connection rotation. In praxis this means that
connections will be killed after some time, say after 30 minutes or 2 days.
While you can argue that a deployment can make its own choices, in praxis
there will be cloud provided load balancers that will enforce such
behaviour.

For example, outside of QUIC, Google cloud L7 load balancer will currently
kill web sockets after a configurable interval. There is no way to allow
some connections to live longer, e.g. based on seeing live traffic on the
CID.

Mikkel

On 12 December 2019 at 14.14.24, Dmitri Tikhonov (
dtikhonov@litespeedtech.com) wrote:

I support adoption of this document by the WG.

- Dmitri.

On Thu, Dec 12, 2019 at 08:37:28AM +1100, Mark Nottingham wrote:
> This is a Call for Adoption of the following document:
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-duke-quic-load-balancers-06
>
> The Working Group has discussed this document for some time, most
recently in Singapore.
>
> Please state whether you support adoption of the document by the Working
Group, and any additional information that you feel may be helpful.
>
> This call will end on 15 January 2020.
>
> Regards,
>
>
> --
> Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/
>