Re: Working Group Last Call: QUIC grease bit
David Schinazi <dschinazi.ietf@gmail.com> Fri, 22 October 2021 16:34 UTC
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From: David Schinazi <dschinazi.ietf@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2021 09:34:13 -0700
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Subject: Re: Working Group Last Call: QUIC grease bit
To: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
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Thanks for the discussion everyone. I've reviewed the draft, and based on how simple it is, I don't think we need to hold it to the same large deployment standard as we might want for very complex proposals. I think the draft is clear, well-written, and ready for publication except for the missing Acknowledgements section. I support publication with the assumption that Acknowledgements will be filled in before this is sent to the IESG. Also, I'd recommend getting the transport parameter provisionally assigned in the IANA registry now - our IANA experts are very friendly :-) David On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 11:45 PM Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net> wrote: > On Fri, Oct 22, 2021, at 12:21, David Schinazi wrote: > > It would be great to have someone deploy this server-side as well to > > ensure it works at scale. > > https://www.litespeedtech.com/ seems to be running this. I just got a > short header packet with the bit cleared. > > That's not necessarily the scale you might like, in the sense that it > might not attract the high usage you might like in order to understand that > middleboxes haven't fixated on the bit being set, but that might be an > unrealistic standard to set. > >
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- Re: Working Group Last Call: QUIC grease bit Martin Thomson