Re: Greasing the QUIC Bit

Stephane Bortzmeyer <bortzmeyer@nic.fr> Thu, 02 July 2020 12:57 UTC

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Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2020 14:57:35 +0200
From: Stephane Bortzmeyer <bortzmeyer@nic.fr>
To: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
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Subject: Re: Greasing the QUIC Bit
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On Thu, Jul 02, 2020 at 09:01:08PM +1000,
 Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net> wrote 
 a message of 7 lines which said:

> That's a shame, so I wrote a draft explaining how that might not
> need to be true forever.

Isn't it the point of draft-ietf-quic-invariants? If it is not an
invariant, it may change.