IETF hosting vs. Github

Stephane Bortzmeyer <bortzmeyer@nic.fr> Tue, 08 June 2021 07:43 UTC

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Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2021 09:42:16 +0200
From: Stephane Bortzmeyer <bortzmeyer@nic.fr>
To: "Roy T. Fielding" <fielding@gbiv.com>
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Subject: IETF hosting vs. Github
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On Mon, Jun 07, 2021 at 12:42:40PM -0700,
 Roy T. Fielding <fielding@gbiv.com> wrote 
 a message of 45 lines which said:

> > (And having important discussions on a Microsoft platform not
> > controlled by the IETF is a bad idea, anyway, but I digress.)
> 
> The IETF does not have the resources to provide a comparable issue
> tracking system, let alone one that manages PRs and version control
> for authors, while providing extensive search capabilities at the
> same time. It's a tool.

The IETF has a budget of ten million US dollars
<https://www.ietf.org/blog/ietf-2021-draft-budget/> and cannot
self-host a Gitlab or a Gitea? It is hard to believe.