Re: Call for Adoption: draft-duke-quic-load-balancers

Rui Paulo <rpaulo@apple.com> Fri, 13 December 2019 23:36 UTC

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Subject: Re: Call for Adoption: draft-duke-quic-load-balancers
From: Rui Paulo <rpaulo@apple.com>
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Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2019 15:36:36 -0800
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I would also like to see it adopted by the WG.

> On Dec 13, 2019, at 14:43, Tommy Pauly <tpauly=40apple.com@dmarc.ietf.org>; wrote:
> 
> +1
> 
> Let's adopt this document! We should focus mainly on the advice for how to do load balancing, more than the protocol details. It would be great to split those out soon.
> 
> Best,
> Tommy
> 
>> On Dec 11, 2019, at 5:12 PM, Kazuho Oku <kazuhooku@gmail.com>; wrote:
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>> 
>> 
>> 2019年12月12日(木) 9:58 Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>;:
>> On Thu, Dec 12, 2019, at 08:37, Mark Nottingham wrote:
>> > This is a Call for Adoption of the following document:
>> >   https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-duke-quic-load-balancers-06
>> 
>> My recollection was that the model that this describes was desirable, but not so much the protocol.  I recall there being a request to move the protocol pieces out and concentrate on the model.  That hasn't happened.
>> 
>> That said, this is fine work and as QUIC depends greatly on closer cooperation between load balancers and servers we'd be doing server operators a disservice if we didn't adopt this.
>> 
>> 
>> +1 to what MT says (including support for adoption).
>> 
>> -- 
>> Kazuho Oku
> 

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Rui Paulo