Re: Packet number encryption

"Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com> Thu, 08 February 2018 20:00 UTC

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From: "Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com>
To: Victor Vasiliev <vasilvv@google.com>, Praveen Balasubramanian <pravb@microsoft.com>
CC: Marten Seemann <martenseemann@gmail.com>, "quic@ietf.org" <quic@ietf.org>, huitema <huitema@huitema.net>
Subject: Re: Packet number encryption
Thread-Topic: Packet number encryption
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Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2018 19:59:51 +0000
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  *   I am concerned that in 2018, we still are talking about encryption being expensive -- symmetric block encryption, of all things.

+1 !