RE: Reducing ossification through protocol design (was Re: Packet number encryption)

Mike Bishop <mbishop@evequefou.be> Mon, 05 February 2018 19:02 UTC

Return-Path: <mbishop@evequefou.be>
X-Original-To: quic@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: quic@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37D5D12D941 for <quic@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 11:02:10 -0800 (PST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.921
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.921 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=evequefou.onmicrosoft.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QcONseYoraK2 for <quic@ietfa.amsl.com>; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 11:02:08 -0800 (PST)
Received: from NAM03-BY2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-by2nam03on0127.outbound.protection.outlook.com [104.47.42.127]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AFDD81275AB for <quic@ietf.org>; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 11:02:08 -0800 (PST)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=evequefou.onmicrosoft.com; s=selector1-evequefou-be; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version; bh=hODz2xcZ6cKbaba3CAD126BEFnd6mEDnyNy2hjjZfog=; b=cTy0MM45tgdvitMwG44zVikef1ao6PtyP7gVV/FuwTSY1M1HiIDsw7SR1Ft7U9OrUXIAHkFfGmczGwVAlpoqRXjAWB03JecMZuqCIE/LDzKNaTFWQ4JsbmEiqwZxq3vo3sLj1bZPEpINBchJUq1bovCIO+Irb4eqnheWwzs/hZg=
Received: from MWHPR08MB2432.namprd08.prod.outlook.com (10.169.203.136) by MWHPR08MB2797.namprd08.prod.outlook.com (10.173.239.15) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA384_P256) id 15.20.464.11; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 19:02:06 +0000
Received: from MWHPR08MB2432.namprd08.prod.outlook.com ([10.169.203.136]) by MWHPR08MB2432.namprd08.prod.outlook.com ([10.169.203.136]) with mapi id 15.20.0464.015; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 19:02:06 +0000
From: Mike Bishop <mbishop@evequefou.be>
To: Mirja Kühlewind <mirja.kuehlewind@tik.ee.ethz.ch>, "Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com>
CC: QUIC WG <quic@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: Reducing ossification through protocol design (was Re: Packet number encryption)
Thread-Topic: Reducing ossification through protocol design (was Re: Packet number encryption)
Thread-Index: AQHTnf+NlUqsX1h6U0uiVsf3NVQgAaOVfOMAgABtuACAABkzgIAAAO0AgAAm2fA=
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2018 19:02:06 +0000
Message-ID: <MWHPR08MB243246FA13EF7C2DE6B52EABDAFE0@MWHPR08MB2432.namprd08.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CABkgnnVyo3MmWtVULiV=FJTnR528qfY8-OmKGWAs0bCvri-a_g@mail.gmail.com> <1F7FB3B8-A94C-4354-9944-FB09FB8DB68B@trammell.ch> <CABcZeBMbwdwyC9TxxHBLYaZKfNB-FG2wCGjqUZ_mNR-A1R47FA@mail.gmail.com> <9096e5ec-581e-875a-b1dd-bff0b05206fd@huitema.net> <CABkgnnWRQSAufwPss+qf=xAzCwRYeNNH8XLPm3yFaHxOb+ba4g@mail.gmail.com> <BF80500A-6277-45DC-8525-9C3FE138B76D@tik.ee.ethz.ch> <5A7191E0.6010003@erg.abdn.ac.uk> <5214AD93-8376-4B25-922F-AF5551CC2E95@netapp.com> <F990E064-E6F8-41A3-B791-F776C9955E15@nokia.com> <CAGD1bZab0GaZFsHwC+nw3AxxC4VusxMJ6oDanzk3dSDdWKAXdw@mail.gmail.com> <2C515BE8694C6F4B9B6A578BCAC32E2F83BA1443@MBX021-W3-CA-2.exch021.domain.local> <BY2PR15MB07757473DB9788558B902EB5CDF80@BY2PR15MB0775.namprd15.prod.outlook.com> <F9D94BFE-3DAE-493D-BC06-F88B417C70F4@trammell.ch> <5A781798.6010101@erg.abdn.ac.uk> <F2C2559B-CA8B-4399-B29E-FD6A01A47F70@tik.ee.ethz.ch> <6D4A2F58-F13A-46AB-80A3-E356DDE15A0F@akamai.com> <5FBE1ABB-C8CD-47BF-BEB7-792864A4BEE4@tik.ee.ethz.ch>
In-Reply-To: <5FBE1ABB-C8CD-47BF-BEB7-792864A4BEE4@tik.ee.ethz.ch>
Accept-Language: en-US
Content-Language: en-US
X-MS-Has-Attach:
X-MS-TNEF-Correlator:
authentication-results: spf=none (sender IP is ) smtp.mailfrom=mbishop@evequefou.be;
x-originating-ip: [38.134.241.6]
x-ms-publictraffictype: Email
x-microsoft-exchange-diagnostics: 1; MWHPR08MB2797; 7:ZyiLbhIoVqh7zgVMwFEuiE5cpw+lV0Za8oN1AU9I3RosXsV/Mvk6j//mxHvgkRt9z7aUPe6Y15AUijRPkCQSC5n4YrJjeyhrhcjjv9QvlNSNog/39tPOp3n7WJGSAbaAoa9H8R0tIoQe/VpdauCzjx85jUsUlQZKi772gx3m9XUGYYbo4EPH9scjTji/s0LekoIPoFQalmPVcc2IHuo8UQupVrdMQdeP3siIMYEtYkFdx6mHWMUpdPFMAKEpLYil
x-ms-exchange-antispam-srfa-diagnostics: SSOS;
x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: 0d45d176-8c25-4996-986c-08d56ccaf33a
x-microsoft-antispam: UriScan:; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(7020095)(4652020)(7021125)(4534165)(7022125)(4603075)(4627221)(201702281549075)(7048125)(7024125)(7027125)(7028125)(7023125)(5600026)(4604075)(3008032)(2017052603307)(7153060)(7193020); SRVR:MWHPR08MB2797;
x-ms-traffictypediagnostic: MWHPR08MB2797:
x-microsoft-antispam-prvs: <MWHPR08MB27979B43C7449A54F35AB2BCDAFE0@MWHPR08MB2797.namprd08.prod.outlook.com>
x-exchange-antispam-report-test: UriScan:;
x-exchange-antispam-report-cfa-test: BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(6040501)(2401047)(8121501046)(5005006)(3231101)(2400082)(944501161)(10201501046)(3002001)(93006095)(93001095)(6041288)(20161123560045)(20161123564045)(20161123562045)(2016111802025)(20161123558120)(6043046)(6072148)(201708071742011); SRVR:MWHPR08MB2797; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:; SRVR:MWHPR08MB2797;
x-forefront-prvs: 0574D4712B
x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10019020)(366004)(376002)(39830400003)(39380400002)(346002)(396003)(13464003)(189003)(199004)(186003)(106356001)(3660700001)(81166006)(81156014)(2950100002)(4326008)(14454004)(26005)(6436002)(6116002)(3846002)(229853002)(3280700002)(25786009)(8936002)(86362001)(8676002)(99286004)(2900100001)(110136005)(77096007)(316002)(68736007)(5660300001)(6506007)(6246003)(478600001)(2906002)(53546011)(9686003)(74482002)(105586002)(33656002)(55016002)(93886005)(53936002)(102836004)(305945005)(76176011)(97736004)(7736002)(66066001)(74316002)(7696005); DIR:OUT; SFP:1102; SCL:1; SRVR:MWHPR08MB2797; H:MWHPR08MB2432.namprd08.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:None; PTR:InfoNoRecords; MX:1; A:0; LANG:en;
received-spf: None (protection.outlook.com: evequefou.be does not designate permitted sender hosts)
x-microsoft-antispam-message-info: 6+5NLNNRUfK20ZkYcDs8bO8hLojCY3afGlopPlRvtpEOocit+6VNDO64LOeCaBY7ehlqA2Ks/8jLrupjlAxNhw==
spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:99
spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-OriginatorOrg: evequefou.be
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 0d45d176-8c25-4996-986c-08d56ccaf33a
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 05 Feb 2018 19:02:06.0659 (UTC)
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 41eaf50b-882d-47eb-8c4c-0b5b76a9da8f
X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: MWHPR08MB2797
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/quic/MKCAb60A5CfoZR_PnkaiPw9qIYA>
X-BeenThere: quic@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22
Precedence: list
List-Id: Main mailing list of the IETF QUIC working group <quic.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/quic>, <mailto:quic-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/quic/>
List-Post: <mailto:quic@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:quic-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/quic>, <mailto:quic-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2018 19:02:10 -0000

How about "invariant"?  😊

-----Original Message-----
From: QUIC [mailto:quic-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Mirja Kühlewind
Sent: Monday, February 5, 2018 8:43 AM
To: Salz, Rich <rsalz@akamai.com>
Cc: QUIC WG <quic@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: Reducing ossification through protocol design (was Re: Packet number encryption)

If that helps I’m all in for that!

> Am 05.02.2018 um 17:39 schrieb Salz, Rich <rsalz@akamai.com>:
> 
>> I think it is entirely possible that a small set of fields in the transport header may be usefully ossified to increase the deployability, manageability and flexibility across a range of use cases.
> 
> Then we should use a word besides ossified, which at this point has entirely negative connotations.  Perhaps “frozen”?
>