Re: Who wants -10 drafts?

Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com> Wed, 21 February 2018 03:36 UTC

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From: Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com>
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 19:36:15 -0800
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Subject: Re: Who wants -10 drafts?
To: Christian Huitema <huitema@huitema.net>
Cc: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>, Rui Paulo <rpaulo@apple.com>, QUIC WG <quic@ietf.org>
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I would be very sad if we needed the H2 implementation to test QUIC. That
seems like it would be bad for layering.

-Ekr


On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 7:06 PM, Christian Huitema <huitema@huitema.net>
wrote:

> On 2/20/2018 6:08 PM, Martin Thomson wrote:
>
> On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 12:36 PM, Rui Paulo <rpaulo@apple.com> <rpaulo@apple.com> wrote:
>
> For the purposes of the interop, I believe we were still doing HTTP 0.9.  Has that changed?
>
> Yes, interop is QUIC -09 and HTTP 0.9 (no relation).
>
>
> I’m not sure how many people will take advantage of hq-10 interop but I don’t see any harm in publishing -10 drafts.
>
> I might, but whether that is possible will depend on a great many
> things.  Nor do I think my own implementation matters much in
> determining this.
>
>
> I understand that at some point we must start moving up the stack and test
> the HTTP mappings. I am not anywhere close to ready with that, because I am
> not starting with an HTTP 2 implementation. If it is what is takes to test
> the transport, I will do one, or port one. But no way I can do that in the
> next 8 days.
>
> -- Christian Huitema
>