Re: Multi-path QUIC Extension Experiments
Christian Huitema <huitema@huitema.net> Tue, 20 July 2021 01:10 UTC
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From: Christian Huitema <huitema@huitema.net>
Subject: Re: Multi-path QUIC Extension Experiments
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On 7/19/2021 3:36 PM, Lucas Pardue wrote: > Interesting thread. There's a lot of stuff here. > > Speaking as an individual, I'm reminded that congestion control and path > scheduling is an important factor for implementation of (the various) > multipath QUIC proposals that have been floated. But IIRC the view was that > these factors are not a core part of multipath QUIC protocol > specifications. Therefore, I'm keen to understand if there is something > that the QUIC transport protocol should or could provide to accommodate > these concerns. E.g. new or different forms of signalling to avoid or > improve on extant constraints. In first order, you can split the multipath issue in two. On one hand, the mechanics of setting up paths, acknowledging path specific data, etc. On the other hand, the fine art of setting path at the right time, scheduling the right amount of packets on these paths, sensing the properties of the paths, etc. I think that the mechanics of multipath are well covered in https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-liu-multipath-quic/, and I think we know enough about the problem to adopt that in the WG and drive it to publication. I also think that we have ample opportunities to learn more about the fine arts of multipath scheduling. I love the idea of sharing as much of that experience as possible between implementers, and I appreciate that the Ali Baba team has been doing just that. But we probably are still going to learn more about all that for several years. If we really need to publish something, we might be able to publish some kind of basic scheduling algorithm, with known limitations and known applicability. A bit like we published a Reno specification for QUIC and pretended that was good enough. -- Christian Huitema
- Multi-path QUIC Extension Experiments Yanmei Liu
- Re: Multi-path QUIC Extension Experiments Robin MARX
- Re: Re: Multi-path QUIC Extension Experiments Ma, Yunfei
- Re: Multi-path QUIC Extension Experiments Mirja Kuehlewind
- Re: Multi-path QUIC Extension Experiments Roberto Peon
- Re: Multi-path QUIC Extension Experiments Charles 'Buck' Krasic
- Re: Multi-path QUIC Extension Experiments Yunfei Ma
- Re: Multi-path QUIC Extension Experiments Mikkel Fahnøe Jørgensen
- Re: Multi-path QUIC Extension Experiments Roberto Peon
- Re: Multi-path QUIC Extension Experiments Christian Huitema
- Multi-path QUIC Extension Experiments Alexis Norech
- Re: Multi-path QUIC Extension Experiments Charles 'Buck' Krasic
- Re: Multi-path QUIC Extension Experiments Roberto Peon
- Re: Multi-path QUIC Extension Experiments Lucas Pardue
- Re: Multi-path QUIC Extension Experiments Yunfei Ma
- Re: Multi-path QUIC Extension Experiments Yunfei Ma
- Re: Multi-path QUIC Extension Experiments Yunfei Ma
- Re: Multi-path QUIC Extension Experiments Christian Huitema
- Re: Multi-path QUIC Extension Experiments Lucas Pardue
- Re: Multi-path QUIC Extension Experiments Lars Eggert
- Re: Multi-path QUIC Extension Experiments Robin MARX
- Re: Multi-path QUIC Extension Experiments Mikkel Fahnøe Jørgensen
- Re: Multi-path QUIC Extension Experiments Mikkel Fahnøe Jørgensen
- Re: Multi-path QUIC Extension Experiments Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: Multi-path QUIC Extension Experiments Christian Huitema
- Re: Multi-path QUIC Extension Experiments Yunfei Ma
- Re: Multi-path QUIC Extension Experiments Ian Swett
- Re: Multi-path QUIC Extension Experiments Yunfei Ma
- Re: Multi-path QUIC Extension Experiments Spencer Dawkins at IETF
- Re: Multi-path QUIC Extension Experiments Christian Huitema
- Re: Multi-path QUIC Extension Experiments Spencer Dawkins at IETF
- Re: Multi-path QUIC Extension Experiments Yunfei Ma