Re: Call for Consensus: Moving HTTP/3, QPACK and Recovery to the Late-Stage Process

Ryan Hamilton <rch@google.com> Wed, 06 November 2019 01:36 UTC

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Subject: Re: Call for Consensus: Moving HTTP/3, QPACK and Recovery to the Late-Stage Process
To: Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net>
Cc: IETF QUIC WG <quic@ietf.org>, Lars Eggert <lars@eggert.org>
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For QPACK and Recovery, this sounds great to me. For  HTTP/3, as I
understand it, we still have a design team working on priorities. Can you
clarify how this effort is affected by the late stage process? (Or is is
basically unaffected as it is an open issue?)

On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 5:02 PM Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net>; wrote:

> Previously, we've moved to the 'late-stage process' documented at [1] for
> the Transport and TLS drafts. The chairs and editors now feel that it's
> time to move the Recovery, HTTP/3, and QPACK drafts to that process as well.
>
> As before, this is because we're getting to a stage we feel the documents
> would benefit from slower and slightly more formal process, so that the
> rate of change is not so high, changes that do occur are well-vetted, and
> the documents get closer to reflecting consensus in the working group.
>
> If we do this, we're saying that we have gained consensus on what remains
> in these documents, excepting their outstanding issues. As per our charter:
>
> """
> Note that consensus is required both for changes to the current protocol
> mechanisms and retention of current mechanisms. In particular, because
> something is in the initial document set does not imply that there is
> consensus around the feature or around how it is specified.
> """
>
> That doesn't mean that new issues can't be raised against those drafts.
> However, new issues against them will be judged for whether they contain
> new information (in particular, security or interoperability impact), a
> clear technical defect, or have significant (in the judgement of the
> chairs) support for further discussion. If the issue isn't well-described
> or atomic, it may be closed with a request to refactor, or refactored for
> you.
>
> Again, this does not affect editorial issues.
>
> Practically speaking, it means that new issues will be triaged by the
> Chairs -- not the editors (although they can still "claim" purely editorial
> issues) -- and those that don't meet the criteria above will be closed.
> Those that do will be labeled (again, by the Chairs only) as `design`.
>
> It also means that all of the closed `design` issues against these drafts
> will be marked as `has-consensus`. Additionally, the `quicv2` issues
> against them will be closed and marked `has-consensus`.
>
> The issues that will be labeled `has-consensus` (and closed, if still
> open) are listed here:
>
>
> https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aclosed+label%3Adesign+-label%3Ahas-consensus+-label%3A-transport+-label%3A-tls
>
> We believe that all of these issues have been discussed and the group has
> formed consensus on them; this only formalises that.
>
> If you have concerns or questions, please discuss them on-list; barring
> pushback, we'll adopt this on 15-Nov-2019.
>
> Cheers,
>
> 1.
> https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/blob/master/CONTRIBUTING.md#late-stage-process
>
> --
> Mark and Lars, QUIC WG Chairs
>
>