Re: A side meeting on OpenSSL's plans about QUIC

"Salz, Rich" <> Wed, 03 November 2021 13:46 UTC

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From: "Salz, Rich" <>
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Subject: Re: A side meeting on OpenSSL's plans about QUIC
Thread-Topic: A side meeting on OpenSSL's plans about QUIC
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  *   I'm wondering if you could give a bit more details about the expected outcome of this meeting?

I have no plan, let’s see what the community thinks. (And this is not just me, this started with some people reaching out to me.) Here are some potential outcomes in my view:

  *   People get a better understanding of what OpenSSL plans are.
  *   People tell their company what is happening, and encourage their company to give input to OpenSSL
  *   People rise up, light torches, and storm OpenSSL Headquarters
  *   People offer suggestions about quictls
  *   People talk about a possible perma-fork
Not all of those are equally likely, of course.

I don’t think “echo chamber” is the right way to think of it. Sometimes giving people a chance to complain is a healthy outcome in and of itself. Letting that happen, if necessary, while having the side meeting be productive will take a good moderator and it won’t be me.

>On the other hand, there doesn't seem to be an active effort to include OpenSSL people in the meeting (as mentioned on the quicdev slack yesterday).

All it takes is for one person to forward my note to {omc,otc,openssl-committers} at depending on which community you want to reach.  Or send them a link to the tweet from Nick which points out that anyone can attend. I am sure they know of it. They certainly should know now because there’s one address on the TLS list (and none on the QUIC list), although it’s certainly possible some folks on the project are using another mail provider. So maybe don’t forward things and bury them.

  *   Practical note for others: the time of the meeting seems to have changed yesterday, make sure you update your agendas (the timing in the trac seems correct/consistent with the changed ics).

Yes, the initial meeting didn’t account for the fact that the US switched from daylight time to standard time between now and then.  Sorry for the confusion.