Re: [EXT] Re: [ippm] New QUIC Packet Loss Measurement (draft-cfb-ippm-spinbit-measurements)

Christian Huitema <huitema@huitema.net> Fri, 10 April 2020 20:56 UTC

Return-Path: <huitema@huitema.net>
X-Original-To: quic@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: quic@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0E1F3A0D32 for <quic@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Apr 2020 13:56:37 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.898
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3V3RubtMgRgC for <quic@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 10 Apr 2020 13:56:36 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mx43-out1.antispamcloud.com (mx43-out1.antispamcloud.com [138.201.61.189]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D84A23A0DA5 for <quic@ietf.org>; Fri, 10 Apr 2020 13:56:31 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from xse190.mail2web.com ([66.113.196.190] helo=xse.mail2web.com) by mx165.antispamcloud.com with esmtp (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from <huitema@huitema.net>) id 1jN0hJ-000lQC-KG for quic@ietf.org; Fri, 10 Apr 2020 22:56:26 +0200
Received: from xsmtp21.mail2web.com (unknown [10.100.68.60]) by xse.mail2web.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48zVfP50Cfz34fN for <quic@ietf.org>; Fri, 10 Apr 2020 13:55:57 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from [10.5.2.15] (helo=xmail05.myhosting.com) by xsmtp21.mail2web.com with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from <huitema@huitema.net>) id 1jN0gv-0003SG-IN for quic@ietf.org; Fri, 10 Apr 2020 13:55:57 -0700
Received: (qmail 32618 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2020 20:55:57 -0000
Received: from unknown (HELO [192.168.1.102]) (Authenticated-user:_huitema@huitema.net@[172.58.46.206]) (envelope-sender <huitema@huitema.net>) by xmail05.myhosting.com (qmail-ldap-1.03) with ESMTPA for <quic@ietf.org>; 10 Apr 2020 20:55:57 -0000
Subject: Re: [EXT] Re: [ippm] New QUIC Packet Loss Measurement (draft-cfb-ippm-spinbit-measurements)
To: Spencer Dawkins at IETF <spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com>, Cociglio Mauro <mauro.cociglio@telecomitalia.it>
Cc: Riccardo Sisto <riccardo.sisto@polito.it>, "IETF IPPM WG (ippm@ietf.org)" <ippm@ietf.org>, Ian Swett <ianswett@google.com>, "Lubashev, Igor" <ilubashe@akamai.com>, "alexandre.ferrieux@orange.com" <alexandre.ferrieux@orange.com>, "isabelle.hamchaoui@orange.com" <isabelle.hamchaoui@orange.com>, "quic@ietf.org" <quic@ietf.org>
References: <3ca3b5aae01d4650a3451639268b3f1e@TELMBXD14BA020.telecomitalia.local> <CAKcm_gMEELBizN_h5+s3Ow0LKXEgTRGg+-AqzJMZXVBDwQcDLA@mail.gmail.com> <1889f403ee0240c0bdab4daf656d6f1d@TELMBXD14BA020.telecomitalia.local> <CAKKJt-dskZQU0iza3YZV62LtgPzRLkgJsg9uqvGYCg-FK=18Xg@mail.gmail.com> <bb96b85cae084b88a1eea946b4533de1@TELMBXD14BA020.telecomitalia.local> <CAKKJt-feGO53ShWZ4bbv=xNDU=PhhH8UZedj15dWwiCBsc8OQQ@mail.gmail.com>
From: Christian Huitema <huitema@huitema.net>
Autocrypt: addr=huitema@huitema.net; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= mQENBFIRX8gBCAC26usy/Ya38IqaLBSu33vKD6hP5Yw390XsWLaAZTeQR64OJEkoOdXpvcOS HWfMIlD5s5+oHfLe8jjmErFAXYJ8yytPj1fD2OdSKAe1TccUBiOXT8wdVxSr5d0alExVv/LO I/vA2aU1TwOkVHKSapD7j8/HZBrqIWRrXUSj2f5n9tY2nJzG9KRzSG0giaJWBfUFiGb4lvsy IaCaIU0YpfkDDk6PtK5YYzuCeF0B+O7N9LhDu/foUUc4MNq4K3EKDPb2FL1Hrv0XHpkXeMRZ olpH8SUFUJbmi+zYRuUgcXgMZRmZFL1tu6z9h6gY4/KPyF9aYot6zG28Qk/BFQRtj7V1ABEB AAG0J0NocmlzdGlhbiBIdWl0ZW1hIDxodWl0ZW1hQGh1aXRlbWEubmV0PokBOQQTAQIAIwUC UhFfyAIbLwcLCQgHAwIBBhUIAgkKCwQWAgMBAh4BAheAAAoJEJNDCbJVyA1yhbYH/1ud6x6m VqGIp0JcZUfSQO8w+TjugqxCyGNn+w/6Qb5O/xENxNQ4HaMQ5uSRK9n8WKKDDRSzwZ4syKKf wbkfj05vgFxrjCynVbm1zs2X2aGXh+PxPL/WHUaxzEP7KjYbLtCUZDRzOOrm+0LMktngT/k3 6+EZoLEM52hwwpIAzJoscyEz7QfqMOZtFm6xQnlvDQeIrHx0KUvwo/vgDLK3SuruG1CSHcR0 D24kEEUa044AIUKBS3b0b8AR7f6mP2NcnLpdsibtpabi9BzqAidcY/EjTaoea46HXALk/eJd 6OLkLE6UQe1PPzQC4jB7rErX2BxnSkHDw50xMgLRcl5/b1a5AQ0EUhFfyAEIAKp7Cp8lqKTV CC9QiAf6QTIjW+lie5J44Ad++0k8gRgANZVWubQuCQ71gxDWLtxYfFkEXjG4TXV/MUtnOliG 5rc2E+ih6Dg61Y5PQakm9OwPIsOx+2R+iSW325ngln2UQrVPgloO83QiUoi7mBJPbcHlxkhZ bd3+EjFxSLIQogt29sTcg2oSh4oljUpz5niTt69IOfZx21kf29NfDE+Iw56gfrxI2ywZbu5o G+d0ZSp0lsovygpk4jK04fDTq0vxjEU5HjPcsXC4CSZdq5E2DrF4nOh1UHkHzeaXdYR2Bn1Y wTePfaHBFlvQzI+Li/Q6AD/uxbTM0vIcsUxrv3MNHCUAEQEAAYkCPgQYAQIACQUCUhFfyAIb LgEpCRCTQwmyVcgNcsBdIAQZAQIABgUCUhFfyAAKCRC22tOSFDh1UOlBB/94RsCJepNvmi/c YiNmMnm0mKb6vjv43OsHkqrrCqJSfo95KHyl5Up4JEp8tiJMyYT2mp4IsirZHxz/5lqkw9Az tcGAF3GlFsj++xTyD07DXlNeddwTKlqPRi/b8sppjtWur6Pm+wnAHp0mQ7GidhxHccFCl65w uT7S/ocb1MjrTgnAMiz+x87d48n1UJ7yIdI41Wpg2XFZiA9xPBiDuuoPwFj14/nK0elV5Dvq 4/HVgfurb4+fd74PV/CC/dmd7hg0ZRlgnB5rFUcFO7ywb7/TvICIIaLWcI42OJDSZjZ/MAzz BeXm263lHh+kFxkh2LxEHnQGHCHGpTYyi4Z3dv03HtkH/1SI8joQMQq00Bv+RdEbJXfEExrT u4gtdZAihwvy97OPA2nCdTAHm/phkzryMeOaOztI4PS8u2Ce5lUB6P/HcGtK/038KdX5MYST Fn8KUDt4o29bkv0CUXwDzS3oTzPNtGdryBkRMc9b+yn9+AdwFEH4auhiTQXPMnl0+G3nhKr7 jvzVFJCRif3OAhEm4vmBNDE3uuaXFQnbK56GJrnqVN+KX5Z3M7X3fA8UcVCGOEHXRP/aubiw Ngawj0V9x+43kUapFp+nF69R53UI65YtJ95ec4PTO/Edvap8h1UbdEOc4+TiYwY1TBuIKltY 1cnrjgAWUh/Ucvr++/KbD9tD6C8=
Message-ID: <6930e356-a117-9fb5-32fe-66af7326f2c2@huitema.net>
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2020 13:55:58 -0700
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.6.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
In-Reply-To: <CAKKJt-feGO53ShWZ4bbv=xNDU=PhhH8UZedj15dWwiCBsc8OQQ@mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------1D0E929842F29D7CBC0893A4"
Content-Language: en-US
X-Originating-IP: 66.113.196.190
X-Spampanel-Domain: xsmtpout.mail2web.com
X-Spampanel-Username: 66.113.196.190/32
Authentication-Results: antispamcloud.com; auth=pass smtp.auth=66.113.196.190/32@xsmtpout.mail2web.com
X-Spampanel-Outgoing-Class: unsure
X-Spampanel-Outgoing-Evidence: Combined (0.15)
X-Recommended-Action: accept
X-Filter-ID: Mvzo4OR0dZXEDF/gcnlw0VxB0mWeGZk2wSOLROvd+japSDasLI4SayDByyq9LIhVUZbR67CQ7/vm /hHDJU4RXkTNWdUk1Ol2OGx3IfrIJKywOmJyM1qr8uRnWBrbSAGDcnqpk5VeF3xR4kF6iVwRtbgN zB/4Jkrw1eDLcif59fvBdGSf00yTqMGQ4hc1Hz0tU7Tmz6iKnkQL9gqsxD347235Nhqq+/HvroPq 8GSPg+60/QPNqXybIny9WGhadIo/WSlmRJUKMrJ+ahcq82ahPryme9ldZJ7uNXfg/GfS8fUvP/L5 rCqHDsKZM+xa1iwJX+gRCHfMVnsAk591zk0uilUI+ZL4xWiN8NS6C+dmX6OEdA4u1aThyWrQ/ou2 +v/lmX4Em37yFgrCB6NHRn1g+f3uncIqYSL3lhh5c81YyJqFoLZMmkWsaurVZfvqROaDnDtHb8z5 dpPkEuJ8Snwqla7jUnW3hy14Yji8fo+4xCnSRo4Rcu5Z37rMuDjCny5fE9ykbJ7I9co1MAEE3ruN Xsm8UJsAPvDcVSKtDCYkioPY5Qx4fJOk03R5fJtf/Dv/dkIzS7m4GUpXCY1Y3j3ilZpnfSx1WjM8 Y221ho/pD3/Zen/OGK5W227fFu2y/4R9c/9IoMGNGDjXiB3g3PwBscZfLp0Ii+0Zgb9inAUGnxBU PVcmx1QL+XiKf76y/BgKh2fsSpqYyVjoIINqU+QiaPKY2AXNZGS5G93aGyH8MqMlOQRMVMd0HCeT skOZ5TL8GpcqrCq+q3e0HIi+gvR3dTXg724gFzhHYUe+7aKm0vX5vMa0YTe+DfniR8wA8+BTTi+J 2sBvM/O0p+zizleC4va6FPcpDHjXMKZJK8+chibagztRwa/oTllW+IuxofBF7cTs80/2FnZg/IMs IAdedSzLrjsyfTPCYbMCLdmf5h2vfxw3Qvb2Glio5Cia/9Kfg4kJ0WtAYbrpe3OOAtQNb87OBHCz Hbokiue7PjVB1S6AQRz4SqXhOP5fdiQt7lu5Jm5nk4BSgYHOJJgUtm67rBRli6kULE5BQDZnPvvF VsQ=
X-Report-Abuse-To: spam@quarantine11.antispamcloud.com
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/quic/Pwcd8R5E_ceqGoXxvWXR4ZmXkVY>
X-BeenThere: quic@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: Main mailing list of the IETF QUIC working group <quic.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/quic>, <mailto:quic-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/quic/>
List-Post: <mailto:quic@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:quic-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/quic>, <mailto:quic-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2020 20:56:38 -0000

On 4/10/2020 1:45 PM, Spencer Dawkins at IETF wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 8:41 AM Cociglio Mauro
> <mauro.cociglio@telecomitalia.it
> <mailto:mauro.cociglio@telecomitalia.it>> wrote:
>
>     I agree with you Spencer but unfortunately S-bit already stands
>     for Spin bit in the QUIC header.
>
>     Sorry ;‑)
>
>
> I was the kind of AD who followed the discussions of the Spin bit with
> great interest (I'm trying to remember which IETF meeting I introduced
> myself as "the Spin bit AD"), but didn't notice that detail. Thanks to
> you and Dmitri for pointing it out :-)


It seems logical to spin-bit this.

-- Christian Huitema