Re: [tsvwg] Re: Robustness to packet reordering
Ryan Hamilton <rch@google.com> Fri, 07 February 2025 22:10 UTC
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From: Ryan Hamilton <rch@google.com>
Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2025 14:10:00 -0800
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Subject: Re: [tsvwg] Re: Robustness to packet reordering
To: David Schinazi <dschinazi.ietf@gmail.com>
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On Fri, Feb 7, 2025 at 11:29 AM David Schinazi <dschinazi.ietf@gmail.com> wrote: > To me the tradeoff is very easy: let's disable the link-layer reordering. > Anyone who cares enough to notice a performance regression will be able to > upgrade their TCP. And of course, this isn't a concern at all for QUIC > since there's no pre-RACK legacy device problem. > Totally agree with the sentiment here. We have real world data that QUIC's out-of-order delivery mitigates the effects of head of line blocking and leads to read world performance gains. With RACK the situation is similar. Let's not hobble the performance of modern protocols in order to *potentially* provide minimal improvements to the performance of obsolete implementations.
- Robustness to packet reordering Ingemar Johansson S
- Re: Robustness to packet reordering Christian Huitema
- RE: Robustness to packet reordering Ingemar Johansson S
- Re: Robustness to packet reordering Christian Huitema
- RE: Robustness to packet reordering Ingemar Johansson S
- RE: Robustness to packet reordering Floris Bruynooghe
- Re: Robustness to packet reordering Christian Huitema
- Re: Robustness to packet reordering Greg White
- Re: [tsvwg] Re: Robustness to packet reordering Joe Touch
- Re: [tsvwg] Re: Robustness to packet reordering Tom Herbert
- Re: Robustness to packet reordering Martin Thomson
- Re: Robustness to packet reordering Christian Huitema
- Re: [tsvwg] Re: Robustness to packet reordering David Schinazi
- Re: [tsvwg] Re: Robustness to packet reordering Neal Cardwell
- Re: [tsvwg] Re: Robustness to packet reordering Martin Thomson
- Re: [tsvwg] Re: Robustness to packet reordering Christian Huitema
- RE: [tsvwg] Re: Robustness to packet reordering Ingemar Johansson S
- RE: [tsvwg] Re: Robustness to packet reordering Koen De Schepper (Nokia)
- Re: [tsvwg] Re: Robustness to packet reordering Neal Cardwell
- Re: [tsvwg] Re: Robustness to packet reordering David Schinazi
- RE: [EXTERNAL] [tsvwg] Re: Robustness to packet r… Overcash, Michael (CCI-Atlanta)
- Re: [tsvwg] Re: Robustness to packet reordering Ryan Hamilton
- Re: [tsvwg] Re: Robustness to packet reordering Joe Touch
- RE: [tsvwg] Re: Robustness to packet reordering Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: [tsvwg] Re: Robustness to packet reordering Greg White
- Re: [tsvwg] Robustness to packet reordering touch@strayalpha.com
- Re: [tsvwg] Robustness to packet reordering Roland Zink
- Re: [tsvwg] Robustness to packet reordering Greg White
- Re: [tsvwg] Robustness to packet reordering touch@strayalpha.com
- Re: [tsvwg] Re: Robustness to packet reordering Sebastian Moeller
- Re: [tsvwg] Robustness to packet reordering touch@strayalpha.com
- RE: [tsvwg] Robustness to packet reordering Ingemar Johansson S
- Re: [tsvwg] Robustness to packet reordering Sebastian Moeller
- Re: [tsvwg] Re: Robustness to packet reordering Michael Eriksson
- Re: [tsvwg] Robustness to packet reordering touch@strayalpha.com
- Re: [tsvwg] Robustness to packet reordering touch@strayalpha.com
- Re: [tsvwg] Re: Robustness to packet reordering Christian Huitema
- Re: [tsvwg] Robustness to packet reordering Sebastian Moeller
- AW: [tsvwg] Re: Robustness to packet reordering Ruediger.Geib
- Re: [tsvwg] Robustness to packet reordering Bill Gage
- Re: [tsvwg] Robustness to packet reordering Greg White
- draft-smith-quic-receive-ts and packet reordering Chris Box
- Re: draft-smith-quic-receive-ts and packet reorde… Ian Swett
- Re: [tsvwg] Robustness to packet reordering Sebastian Moeller