Re: Deadlocking in the transport
Jana Iyengar <jri@google.com> Wed, 10 January 2018 22:55 UTC
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From: Jana Iyengar <jri@google.com>
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 14:55:08 -0800
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Subject: Re: Deadlocking in the transport
To: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
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> > Ahh, excellent, then I think at least we two are in agreement. It > seems like there is an emerging acceptance of the problem and proposed > approach, I guess we might start considering how to address it. > I think so. I've heard some other approaches aired that folks may want to discuss however. > I think that this needs to be in the main spec. Failing to document > this sort of pitfall could be fatal. Does anyone disagree? > I agree that we should document this, especially since it's expected to be a common design pattern. Since we don't express dependencies among streams, we have to ensure that an app that wishes to do so doesn't do the wrong thing. I think we definitely should draw attention to this point, but I'm not sure that we need to be very prescriptive here for what the app should do, but I think we should use strong language for what a transport implementation should do. We should also mention that an app that chooses to not read out of a stream buffer may cause negative interactions with any autotuning mechanisms implemented to tune window update magnitude and frequency.
- Deadlocking in the transport Martin Thomson
- Re: Deadlocking in the transport Brian Trammell (IETF)
- Re: Deadlocking in the transport Willy Tarreau
- Re: Deadlocking in the transport Jana Iyengar
- Re: Deadlocking in the transport Subodh Iyengar
- Re: Deadlocking in the transport Dmitri Tikhonov
- Re: Deadlocking in the transport Ian Swett
- Re: Deadlocking in the transport Mikkel Fahnøe Jørgensen
- Re: Deadlocking in the transport Mikkel Fahnøe Jørgensen
- Re: Deadlocking in the transport Charles 'Buck' Krasic
- Re: Deadlocking in the transport Ted Hardie
- Re: Deadlocking in the transport Jana Iyengar
- Re: Deadlocking in the transport Dmitri Tikhonov
- Re: Deadlocking in the transport Jana Iyengar
- Re: Deadlocking in the transport Dmitri Tikhonov
- Re: Deadlocking in the transport Jana Iyengar
- Re: Deadlocking in the transport Dmitri Tikhonov
- Re: Deadlocking in the transport Roberto Peon
- Re: Deadlocking in the transport Jana Iyengar
- Re: Deadlocking in the transport Mikkel Fahnøe Jørgensen
- Re: Deadlocking in the transport Dmitri Tikhonov
- Re: Deadlocking in the transport Christian Huitema
- Re: Deadlocking in the transport Martin Thomson
- Re: Deadlocking in the transport Martin Thomson
- Re: Deadlocking in the transport Martin Thomson
- Re: Deadlocking in the transport Dmitri Tikhonov
- Re: Deadlocking in the transport Jana Iyengar
- Re: Deadlocking in the transport Martin Thomson
- Re: Deadlocking in the transport Jana Iyengar
- RE: Deadlocking in the transport Mike Bishop
- Re: Deadlocking in the transport Mikkel Fahnøe Jørgensen
- Re: Deadlocking in the transport Martin Thomson
- Re: Deadlocking in the transport Mikkel Fahnøe Jørgensen
- Re: Deadlocking in the transport Martin Thomson
- RE: Deadlocking in the transport Lubashev, Igor
- Re: Deadlocking in the transport Dmitri Tikhonov
- Re: Deadlocking in the transport Martin Thomson
- Re: Deadlocking in the transport Jana Iyengar
- Re: Deadlocking in the transport Roberto Peon
- RE: Deadlocking in the transport Lubashev, Igor
- Re: Deadlocking in the transport Mirja Kühlewind
- Re: Deadlocking in the transport Roberto Peon
- Re: Deadlocking in the transport Roberto Peon
- Re: Deadlocking in the transport Martin Thomson
- Re: Deadlocking in the transport Jana Iyengar
- Re: Deadlocking in the transport Ian Swett
- Re: Deadlocking in the transport Martin Thomson
- Re: Deadlocking in the transport Mirja Kühlewind
- Re: Deadlocking in the transport Charles 'Buck' Krasic
- Re: Deadlocking in the transport Roberto Peon
- Re: Deadlocking in the transport Martin Thomson