RE: Call for Adoption: draft-pauly-quic-datagram

"Lubashev, Igor" <ilubashe@akamai.com> Thu, 12 December 2019 00:48 UTC

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From: "Lubashev, Igor" <ilubashe@akamai.com>
To: Christopher Wood <caw@heapingbits.net>, "quic@ietf.org" <quic@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: Call for Adoption: draft-pauly-quic-datagram
Thread-Topic: Call for Adoption: draft-pauly-quic-datagram
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A definitely useful and needed feature.  I support adoption.
- Igor

> From: Christopher Wood <caw@heapingbits.net>;
> 
> I support adoption.
> 
> Best,
> Chris
> 
> On Wed, Dec 11, 2019, at 3:03 PM, Jana Iyengar wrote:
> > I support adoption of this document.
> >
> > This is a natural extension to QUIC and there are multiple
> > implementations and side-conversations happening already, and as I
> > understand it, there is some deployment experience.
> >
> > One note however. Per my read, this is the first extension that
> > extends the functionality of QUIC beyond the charter's original
> > conception of it for HTTP. Many things are possible with QUIC, but the
> > things we want to standardize are the things that are likely to be
> > used. There's no better argument for useful extensions than a
> > discussion of actual deployment where it exists.. It enables others to
> > use it similarly, and importantly, it informs why the mechanism is
> > designed so. I would have hoped for more active discussions around
> > current uses of this extension where it exists, including deployment
> experience where it exists.
> > Perhaps the authors can take this as feedback going forward.
> >
> > - jana
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 2:00 PM Mikkel Fahnøe Jørgensen
> > <mikkelfj@gmail.com>; wrote:
> > > Yes, datagrams are important for custom protocols.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 11 December 2019 at 22.49.23, Victor Vasiliev
> (vasilvv=40google..com@dmarc.ietf.org) wrote:
> >
> > >> I support adoption of this draft. We already support a version of this in
> gQUIC and I am willing to work on making sure it's interoperable with other
> implementations.
> > >>
> > >> On Wed, Dec 11, 2019, 13:36 Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot..net
> <mailto:mnot@mnot.net>> wrote:
> > >>>  This is a Call for Adoption of the following document:
> > >>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-pauly-quic-datagram-05
> > >>>
> > >>>  The Working Group has discussed this document for some time, most
> recently in Singapore.
> > >>>
> > >>>  Please state whether you support adoption of the document by the
> Working Group, and any additional information that you feel may be
> helpful.
> > >>>
> > >>>  This call will end on 15 January 2020.
> > >>>
> > >>>  Regards,
> > >>>
> > >>>  --
> > >>>  Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/