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Re: Proposal: Run QUIC over DTLS

Christopher Wood <christopherwood07@gmail.com> Wed, 07 March 2018 17:50 UTC

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From: Christopher Wood <christopherwood07@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2018 12:50:30 -0500
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Subject: Re: Proposal: Run QUIC over DTLS
To: "Brian Trammell (IETF)" <ietf@trammell.ch>
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On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 6:53 AM, Brian Trammell (IETF) <ietf@trammell.ch> wrote:
> tl;dr: what Ted said, plus what Lars said.
>
> Relayering QUIC on top of DTLS seems to me to be an interesting version 2 exercise. At this point, it's definitely worth investigating how QUIC invariants and VN can be made compatible with an "upgrade" during VN to a QUIC layered over DTLS, but I think it's too late to make this change for V1.

Yes, it may be too late. However, if we can experiment early without
risk of impacting the current trajectory or London hackathon plans, I
would like to do so.

Best,
Chris

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