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Lucas Pardue <Lucas.Pardue@bbc.co.uk> Tue, 19 December 2017 17:22 UTC

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From: Lucas Pardue <Lucas.Pardue@bbc.co.uk>
To: Mikkel Fahnøe Jørgensen <mikkelfj@gmail.com>, "Lubashev, Igor" <ilubashe@akamai.com>, "quic@ietf.org" <quic@ietf.org>
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Mikkel wrote:

> As to client vs server asymmetri: It strongly suggest not to make a distinction here because there are many symmetric peer to peer use cases and also opposite cases: server to client with partially reliable video, client to server with partially reliable game state, server to server with partially reliable gossip protocol to statistically advance a common state (e.g. "I have processed so many bytes now, how about you?”).

Yes, early specialisation is a route to disappointment. There are other discussions around unnecessary asymmetry at this level.

Regards
Lucas



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