Re: Proposal: Run QUIC over DTLS

Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com> Tue, 06 March 2018 00:47 UTC

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From: Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com>
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2018 16:47:08 -0800
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Subject: Re: Proposal: Run QUIC over DTLS
To: Ted Hardie <ted.ietf@gmail.com>
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On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 4:10 PM, Ted Hardie <ted.ietf@gmail.com>; wrote:

> Hi Eric,
>
> I haven't read the proposal yet, but one very quick process point:
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> On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 3:05 PM, Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com>; wrote:
>
>>
>> The hackathon would be a good opportunity to have a face to face chat
>> about this in addition to on-list discussion.
>>
>> It's quite late for folks to change their plans if they were not
> previously going to the hackathon or had other hacking to do there, so I
> believe that it is not appropriate to use this time.   (In addition to a
> distraction from the actually coding folks might hope to get done).
>
> Given that this is, after all, a proposed change to both charter and work
> plan, so I think it belongs on the list.
>

Hi Ted,

I was certainly expecting that we would discuss this on-list and then
at the meeting. Sorry if I made it seem otherwise.

WRT to the hackathon, I wasn't suggesting that we have some kind of
formal side meeting, just that this would be an opportunity to have
some small-group conversations, just as we have done in the past.

-Ekr



> regards,
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> Ted
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