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charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 2020-11-17 at 10:34 -0600, Behcet Sarikaya wrote: >=20 > I think this is a problem generally in Quic specs. > They are written for implementers. >=20 > A protocol specification should not be an implementation spec.=20 > I think this is a deep issue maybe most Quic people do not appreciate bec= ause > it seems those people are mostly implementers. As responsible AD I do want to respond to this. Protocol specification exis= ts to enable implementation. And that it is written for implementors are actually great as it will avoid many interoperability issues. Other usage of the specification I think will not be greately challenged by the detail level. = This is not a novel, it is a protocol specification. So I don't consider this an issue, rather the opposite.=20 =46rom my perspective the QUIC documents are in the top percentile of documen= ts when it comes to specification quality that I have seen during my soon 6 ye= ars as AD from across the whole IETF. 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