Re: Proposal: drop QPACK encoder stream framing
Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com> Fri, 08 June 2018 10:12 UTC
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Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2018 12:12:38 +0200
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Subject: Re: Proposal: drop QPACK encoder stream framing
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I think that this is a reasonable request and I'd support this. It saves an encoder from having to buffer and it even saves a few octets. The complexity increase (the increased need to delay acknowledgments) is manageable and even encourages good practice - the current design encourages a little bit of laziness because you can acknowledge at the end of each block and have a reasonable expectation of it being approximately correct... most of the time. On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 5:11 PM Dmitri Tikhonov <dtikhonov@litespeedtech.com> wrote: > > Abstract > -------- > > The encoder block specified in Section 3.3 of draft-ietf-quic-qpack-00 > is unnecessary. For reasons of efficiency, I propose that the framing > be removed: let the encoder instructions be written and interpreted as > a stream instead. > > Background > ---------- > > I brought this up during the first day (June 6) of the Kista Interim. > Alan explained that there are two reasons for framing the instructions > in this way on the encoder stream: > > 1. Historically, some (or most) HPACK decoders have struggled with > input that breaks in the middle of an instruction, as they do > not maintain state. > > 2. The blocks can be used as a clue to send Table State Synchronize > instructions on the decoder stream (Section 3.4.1). > > The downside to having length-prefixed blocks is that it makes it > difficult to optimize encoding by writing to the outgoing packets > directly. One has to buffer the block, write the block length first, > and then copy the block. > > Additionally, there is a potential for a deadlock (issue #1420). Recall > that QPACK owes its current form to the fact that the WG decided to > prevent deadlocks at the compression protocol level, and not via advisory > notes to the implementers. > > Reasons Behind the Block > ------------------------ > > First, let's look at the historical HPACK chokers. > > The HPACK decoder only processes HEADER blocks. There is only one stream > and thus only one HEADER block can be processed at a time. > > The QPACK decoder has to process two inputs: a) the encoder stream > and b) HEADER blocks. There is only one encoder stream. This stream > modifies the decoder state: the dynamic table. The HEADER blocks do not > modify the state. > > The HEADER blocks already come with a prefix length (HQ framing), and so > QPACK implementations can choose to wait until the whole HEADER block is > available. It is processing of the encoder stream that is under > consideration. > > With regards to the Table Synch signaling, the draft states that > > " A decoder MAY > " coalesce multiple synchronization updates into a single update. > > This effectively means that the encoder already should not expect to get > a one-to-one mapping between its Encoder Blocks and Table Synchs. > > Working with the Encoder Stream > ------------------------------- > > The dynamic table instruction stream can be thought of as its own state. > Already, the QPACK decoder must be able to pause reading from streams when > a blocked HEADERS block arrives. Similar techniques can be used to resume > reading from the encoder stream. It should not be difficult to resume > decoding a single instruction! While breaking with the HPACK precedent > (the hold-my-hand-I-need-buffer-size chokers), it keeps in line with the > Seattle hum that the new compression mechanism is free from its HPACK > shackles. > > Conclusion > ---------- > > Prefixing arbitrary sets of encoder instructions with a length denies > zero-copy optimization opportunities. At the cost of some slight > complexity increase at the decoder, this framing mechanism can be > dropped. The proposed change is limited to just this -- technically > superfluous -- piece. > > - Dmitri. > > P.S. An added bonus is some saved framing bytes on the encoder stream. > I believe the "compression performance above everything else" is > also the Working Group's consensus (Melbourne). >
- Re: Proposal: drop QPACK encoder stream framing Ian Swett
- Re: Proposal: drop QPACK encoder stream framing Roberto Peon
- Re: Proposal: drop QPACK encoder stream framing Roberto Peon
- Proposal: drop QPACK encoder stream framing Dmitri Tikhonov
- Re: Proposal: drop QPACK encoder stream framing Spencer Dawkins at IETF
- Re: Proposal: drop QPACK encoder stream framing Spencer Dawkins at IETF
- Re: Proposal: drop QPACK encoder stream framing Dmitri Tikhonov
- Re: Proposal: drop QPACK encoder stream framing Kazuho Oku
- Re: Proposal: drop QPACK encoder stream framing Martin Thomson
- Re: Proposal: drop QPACK encoder stream framing Ian Swett
- Re: Proposal: drop QPACK encoder stream framing Alan Frindell
- Re: Proposal: drop QPACK encoder stream framing Kazuho Oku
- Re: Proposal: drop QPACK encoder stream framing Alan Frindell
- Re: Proposal: drop QPACK encoder stream framing Kazuho Oku
- Re: Proposal: drop QPACK encoder stream framing Dmitri Tikhonov
- RE: Proposal: drop QPACK encoder stream framing Mike Bishop
- Re: Proposal: drop QPACK encoder stream framing Alan Frindell
- Re: Proposal: drop QPACK encoder stream framing Dmitri Tikhonov
- Re: Proposal: drop QPACK encoder stream framing Dmitri Tikhonov