Re: Call for Adoption: draft-schinazi-quic-version-negotiation

Ryan Hamilton <rch@google.com> Wed, 11 December 2019 23:06 UTC

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From: Ryan Hamilton <rch@google.com>
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 15:06:04 -0800
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Subject: Re: Call for Adoption: draft-schinazi-quic-version-negotiation
To: Jana Iyengar <jri.ietf@gmail.com>
Cc: Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net>, Lars Eggert <lars@eggert.org>, IETF QUIC WG <quic@ietf.org>
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I definitely support adopting this document.

On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 1:50 PM Jana Iyengar <jri.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

>  Not having a mechanism means that any work on a next version (even local
> experiments) is effectively stymied,
>

Eh? That's a bit overbroad isn't it? If you want to locally experiment with
a non-standardized QUIC v2, surely you can experiment with
a non-standardized VN mechanism, right? Or you can even do no VN at all if
your local clients can learn out of band (alt-svc) that your local server
supports your new v2.

Of course, I still support adopting this document. :)

Cheers,

Ryan