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"Rob Wilton (rwilton)" <rwilton@cisco.com> Wed, 06 January 2021 17:47 UTC

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From: "Rob Wilton (rwilton)" <rwilton@cisco.com>
To: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>, The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>
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Subject: RE: Robert Wilton's Discuss on draft-ietf-quic-invariants-12: (with DISCUSS)
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Hi Martin,

Thanks.  I've cleared the discuss on the QUIC invariants doc.

Regards,
Rob


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
> Sent: 04 January 2021 23:40
> To: Rob Wilton (rwilton) <rwilton@cisco.com>; The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>
> Cc: draft-ietf-quic-invariants@ietf.org; WG Chairs <quic-chairs@ietf.org>;
> quic@ietf.org; Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net>
> Subject: Re: Robert Wilton's Discuss on draft-ietf-quic-invariants-12:
> (with DISCUSS)
> 
> Hi Rob,
> 
> On Mon, Jan 4, 2021, at 22:42, Robert Wilton via Datatracker wrote:
> > I would have expected that these two should be consistent as to whether
> the
> > Fixed Bit SHOULD be set to 1 or not.  Given draft-thomson-quic-bit-
> grease-00,
> > it might be better if the SHOULD is removed from QUIC transport, but I
> will
> > defer to the experts here.
> 
> Thanks for picking this up.  This is a little bit of overreach in the
> transport draft.  I agree that removing the recommendation is sensible.
> I've opened https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4471 for this.
> 
> Cheers,
> Martin

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