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Re: FW: [Masque] Proposed draft charter

Lucas Pardue <lucaspardue.24.7@gmail.com> Sun, 26 January 2020 19:38 UTC

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From: Lucas Pardue <lucaspardue.24.7@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2020 19:37:50 +0000
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Subject: Re: FW: [Masque] Proposed draft charter
To: Ian Swett <ianswett=40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
Cc: Mirja Kuehlewind <mirja.kuehlewind=40ericsson.com@dmarc.ietf.org>, David Schinazi <dschinazi@google.com>, "quic@ietf.org" <quic@ietf.org>, tsvwg <tsvwg-bounces@ietf.org>
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Hey Ian,

On Sat, Jan 25, 2020 at 9:50 PM Ian Swett <ianswett=
40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:

> Some Q's.  This charter looks to be scoped such that it includes any
> VPN/tunnel that goes over the QUIC transport, not just when HTTP/3 is
> used.  However, it's only scoped to work on use cases when multiple
> applications want to run over a single QUIC connection?
>
> Two thoughts:
> 1) This seems to put a simple tunnel over QUIC functionality out of
> scope?  I've heard a fair bit of interest in this and I'm not aware of any
> other group working on it.
>

I don't believe the intent is to support only multiple applications,
multiplexing with a cardinality of 1 should be supported IMO. Streams allow
for many, but I think there would also be support for a DATAGRAM-only
tunnel relationship that allows only a simple 1:1 mapping (discovered
up-front and negotiated in the QUIC connection).

2) Some people suggested that multiplexing multiple applications over a
> single QUIC connection should be in scope for QUIC v2.  This charter seems
> like it's moving that work out of the QUIC WG?
>

I'm not aware of that, it would be good to figure these kinds of things out
to avoid duplication or overlap where possible.

Cheers,
Lucas

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