Re: Robustness to packet reordering
Christian Huitema <huitema@huitema.net> Thu, 06 February 2025 01:00 UTC
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On 2/5/2025 6:21 AM, Ingemar Johansson S wrote: > Hi > > A very short question, with possibly many answers: > Do current QUIC stacks support out of order delivery up to one RTT, as is the case with TCP Linux with RACK enabled. Define support. Do you mean "at the API" or "in the stack"? The programming APi for QUIC exposes a set of "streams", as well as possibly a "datagram" capability. Data sent on one stream is delivered in sequence on that stream. Multiple streams can be processed in parallel. There is no guarantee of ordering between stream. If a packet containing data for stream number N is lost, delivery on that stream will stop until the loss recovery -- but delivery will continue for other streams. Data sent as datagram is delivered whenever the datagram arrives. There is no guarantee of ordering between datagrams, or between datagrams and streams. There is also no expectation of loss recovery: if a packet containing a datagram is lost, the datagram is lost. In the stack, QUIC stacks are expected to check whether a packet was "already received", and not process duplicates. Note that if packets are lost, the frames contained in the packet may be processed differently -- some may not be resent, either because they are now obsolete, or because the frame has already been received -- for example, in case of spurious retransmission. The packets carrying the repeated data will have their own packet number, different from the initial packet. In order to not process duplicate, implementations have to maintain knowledge of already received packets. That knowledge typically has some kind of horizon, such as "the last N packets". Packets that are older than that will be ignored, because there is no way to tell whether they are duplicate. The value of that "horizon" is implementation dependent. About 1 RTT worth of packet makes sense, but implementations could use something else, like for example 3*PTO. -- Christian Huitema
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