Re: Call for Adoption: draft-pauly-quic-datagram
Kazuho Oku <kazuhooku@gmail.com> Thu, 12 December 2019 01:23 UTC
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From: Kazuho Oku <kazuhooku@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2019 10:23:42 +0900
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Subject: Re: Call for Adoption: draft-pauly-quic-datagram
To: Lucas Pardue <lucaspardue.24.7@gmail.com>
Cc: Jana Iyengar <jri.ietf@gmail.com>, Lars Eggert <lars@eggert.org>, Mikkel Fahnøe Jørgensen <mikkelfj@gmail.com>, IETF QUIC WG <quic@ietf.org>, Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net>, Victor Vasiliev <vasilvv=40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
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+1 for adoption. I agree that there's concern that the DATAGRAM draft is too generic, but the flip side of that is that it is good for running experiments / private protocols that only require datagrams. And we can rely on ALPN for what is being transmitted using the DATAGRAM frames. To paraphrase, I consider DATAGRAM to be as useful as generic UDP is. 2019年12月12日(木) 10:07 Lucas Pardue <lucaspardue.24.7@gmail.com>: > I support adoption of this draft but will note that in the abstract sense > it is hard to reason about the design of DATAGRAM and hard to interop > without an application of it. Since the round of call for adoption does not > incorporate an application, I have concern about the scope.. I wrote up > SiDUCK [1] as means to an end, there are probably better ways to make us > comfortable as a WG. > > [1] - https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-pardue-quic-siduck-0 > > On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 11:03 PM Jana Iyengar <jri.ietf@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I support adoption of this document. >> >> This is a natural extension to QUIC and there are multiple >> implementations and side-conversations happening already, and as I >> understand it, there is some deployment experience. >> >> One note however. Per my read, this is the first extension that extends >> the functionality of QUIC beyond the charter's original conception of it >> for HTTP. Many things are possible with QUIC, but the things we want to >> standardize are the things that are likely to be used. There's no better >> argument for useful extensions than a discussion of actual deployment where >> it exists... It enables others to use it similarly, and importantly, it >> informs why the mechanism is designed so. I would have hoped for more >> active discussions around current uses of this extension where it exists, >> including deployment experience where it exists. Perhaps the authors can >> take this as feedback going forward. >> >> - jana >> >> On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 2:00 PM Mikkel Fahnøe Jørgensen < >> mikkelfj@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Yes, datagrams are important for custom protocols. >>> >>> >>> On 11 December 2019 at 22.49.23, Victor Vasiliev ( >>> vasilvv=40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org) wrote: >>> >>> I support adoption of this draft. We already support a version of this >>> in gQUIC and I am willing to work on making sure it's interoperable with >>> other implementations. >>> >>> On Wed, Dec 11, 2019, 13:36 Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot...net >>> <mnot@mnot.net>> wrote: >>> >>>> This is a Call for Adoption of the following document: >>>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-pauly-quic-datagram-05 >>>> >>>> The Working Group has discussed this document for some time, most >>>> recently in Singapore. >>>> >>>> Please state whether you support adoption of the document by the >>>> Working Group, and any additional information that you feel may be helpful. >>>> >>>> This call will end on 15 January 2020. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/ >>>> >>>> -- Kazuho Oku
- Call for Adoption: draft-pauly-quic-datagram Mark Nottingham
- Re: Call for Adoption: draft-pauly-quic-datagram Victor Vasiliev
- Re: Call for Adoption: draft-pauly-quic-datagram Mikkel Fahnøe Jørgensen
- Re: Call for Adoption: draft-pauly-quic-datagram Jana Iyengar
- Re: Call for Adoption: draft-pauly-quic-datagram Christopher Wood
- RE: Call for Adoption: draft-pauly-quic-datagram Lubashev, Igor
- Re: Call for Adoption: draft-pauly-quic-datagram Ian Swett
- Re: Call for Adoption: draft-pauly-quic-datagram Martin Thomson
- Re: Call for Adoption: draft-pauly-quic-datagram Lucas Pardue
- Re: Call for Adoption: draft-pauly-quic-datagram Kazuho Oku
- RE: Call for Adoption: draft-pauly-quic-datagram Roni Even (A)
- Re: Call for Adoption: draft-pauly-quic-datagram Jiuhai Zhang
- Re: Call for Adoption: draft-pauly-quic-datagram Christian Huitema
- Re: Call for Adoption: draft-pauly-quic-datagram Mirja Kuehlewind
- Re: Call for Adoption: draft-pauly-quic-datagram Brian Trammell (IETF)
- Re: Call for Adoption: draft-pauly-quic-datagram Christian Huitema
- Re: Call for Adoption: draft-pauly-quic-datagram Roberto Peon
- Re: Call for Adoption: draft-pauly-quic-datagram Mikkel Fahnøe Jørgensen
- Re: Call for Adoption: draft-pauly-quic-datagram Mike Coleman
- Re: Call for Adoption: draft-pauly-quic-datagram Rui Paulo
- Re: Call for Adoption: draft-pauly-quic-datagram Marten Seemann
- Re: Call for Adoption: draft-pauly-quic-datagram Patrick McManus
- Re: Call for Adoption: draft-pauly-quic-datagram Vidhi Goel
- RE: Call for Adoption: draft-pauly-quic-datagram Mike Bishop
- RE: Call for Adoption: draft-pauly-quic-datagram Florin Baboescu
- Re: Call for Adoption: draft-pauly-quic-datagram Thomas Fossati
- Re: Call for Adoption: draft-pauly-quic-datagram Eric Rescorla
- Re: Call for Adoption: draft-pauly-quic-datagram Gyan Mishra
- Re: Call for Adoption: draft-pauly-quic-datagram Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: Call for Adoption: draft-pauly-quic-datagram Bernard Aboba
- Re: Call for Adoption: draft-pauly-quic-datagram Sean Turner
- Re: Call for Adoption: draft-pauly-quic-datagram Tal Mizrahi
- RE: Call for Adoption: draft-pauly-quic-datagram Ingemar Johansson S