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Re: Packet number encryption

"Eggert, Lars" <lars@netapp.com> Wed, 31 January 2018 10:06 UTC

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From: "Eggert, Lars" <lars@netapp.com>
To: Gorry Fairhust <gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk>
CC: Mirja Kühlewind <mirja.kuehlewind@tik.ee.ethz.ch>, Brian Trammell <ietf@trammell.ch>, Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com>, QUIC WG <quic@ietf.org>, Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>, Christian Huitema <huitema@huitema.net>
Subject: Re: Packet number encryption
Thread-Topic: Packet number encryption
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On 2018-1-31, at 10:52, Gorry Fairhurst <gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk> wrote:
> +1 - Simply: This *is* complicated and seems to add little.

So as an implementor (chair hat off), this adds very little to the overall complexity of the protocol.

Lars

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