Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0729F130F6F for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2018 13:06:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.289 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.289 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA=2.309, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id it_-dOmydlTE for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2018 13:06:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orange.com (mta136.mail.business.static.orange.com [80.12.70.36]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5C978130ECD for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2018 13:06:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from opfednr07.francetelecom.fr (unknown [xx.xx.xx.71]) by opfednr21.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 42kQbp40VXz5wN6; Mon, 29 Oct 2018 21:06:46 +0100 (CET) Received: from Exchangemail-eme2.itn.ftgroup (unknown [xx.xx.31.3]) by opfednr07.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 42kQbp35xQzFpWV; Mon, 29 Oct 2018 21:06:46 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.193.4.89] (10.168.234.4) by OPEXCLILM5D.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup (10.114.31.3) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.408.0; Mon, 29 Oct 2018 21:06:45 +0100 Subject: Re: Big changes in -17 To: Jana Iyengar CC: QUIC WG , Martin Thomson References: <851_1540819578_5BD70A7A_851_343_1_0ada4f1d-e8c5-25b5-0e8b-8111ee726ae7@orange.com> From: Message-ID: <3676_1540843606_5BD76856_3676_474_1_a7961fe6-2444-a899-0729-1cbc310061dc@orange.com> Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2018 21:06:46 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------BDCF3EDA81579175188F9222" Content-Language: fr-xx-moderne X-Originating-IP: [10.168.234.4] Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Main mailing list of the IETF QUIC working group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2018 20:06:50 -0000 --------------BDCF3EDA81579175188F9222 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was merely trying to clarify what the plural ("designs") meant, given tha= t in=20 NYC it was made clear that nothing but the single spin bit had undergone en= ough=20 privacy analysis (not even the VEC). On 10/29/2018 08:07 PM, Jana Iyengar wrote: > Alexandre, > > Are you really asking if an alternative design for the spin-bit(s) can be= =20 > proposed now, or am I mis-reading your question? > > - jana > > On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 6:26 AM > wrote: > > Hello Martin, > > On 10/26/2018 01:20 AM, Martin Thomson wrote: > > 4. The first octet.=C2=A0 We discussed this in NY: > > > https://github.com/quicwg/wg-materials/blob/master/interim-18-09/minu= tes.md#first-octet---martin-thomson > > and we will have a decision about the spin bit within 2 weeks.=C2= =A0 After > > that, one of the designs discussed will be implemented. > > Do I assume correctly that "the designs discussed" are the following = three: > > =C2=A0 - nothing (no spin bit) > =C2=A0 - spin bit alone > =C2=A0 - spin bit + VEC > > Or is there room for other (written) proposals ? > > _____________________________________________________________________= ____________________________________________________ > > Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations > confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc > pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez > recu ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler > a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. 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I was merely trying to clarify what the plural ("designs") meant, given that in NYC it was made clear that nothing but the single spin bit had undergone enough privacy analysis (not even the VEC).

On 10/29/2018 08:07 PM, Jana Iyengar wrote:
Alexandre,

Are you really asking if an alternative design for the spin-bit(s) can be proposed now, or am I mis-reading your question?

- jana

On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 6:26 AM <alexandre.ferrieux@orange.com> wrote:
Hello Martin,

On 10/26/2018 01:20 AM, Martin Thomson wrote:
> 4. The first octet.=C2=A0 We discussed this in NY:
> h= ttps://github.com/quicwg/wg-materials/blob/master/interim-18-09/minutes.md#= first-octet---martin-thomson
> and we will have a decision about the spin bit within 2 weeks.=C2=A0 After
> that, one of the designs discussed will be implemented.

Do I assume correctly that "the designs discussed" are the following three:

=C2=A0 - nothing (no spin bit)
=C2=A0 - spin bit alone
=C2=A0 - spin bit + VEC

Or is there room for other (written) proposals ?

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