Re: Unrecoverable loss pattern
Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com> Sun, 25 February 2018 22:47 UTC
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From: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2018 09:47:39 +1100
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Subject: Re: Unrecoverable loss pattern
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I assume that this is the language you refer to: A server MUST process ACK frames in unprotected packets until the TLS handshake is reported as complete, or it receives an ACK frame in a protected packet that acknowledges all of its handshake messages. That talks about ACK frames, not Finished. On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 1:25 AM, Marten Seemann <martenseemann@gmail.com> wrote: > I’ve been playing around with QUIC loss recovery and in my tests I’m > encountering one specific loss pattern which it seems impossible to recover > from. It's pretty rare, because there are a couple of conditions that must > be fulfilled for it to occur: > > 1. Client and server perform the handshake, no packets are lost so far. > Client and server both arrive at the CONNECTED state, and the server > receives all ACKs for handshake packets it sent. The client receives ACKs > for all handshake packets except for the one containing the FINISHED message > is lost (the packet containing the ACK for the FINISHED is lost). > 2. The client starts using 1-RTT keys, and it sends two packets: First, a > packet only containing an ACK, and then a packet containing stream data > (e.g. a request). The request packet is then lost. > 3. The server receives the ACK in the 1-RTT packet, and it stops accepting > unencrypted packets according to 6.1.2 of the TLS draft. It doesn’t generate > an ACK in response, since the packet only contained an ACK. > 4. The client is now missing acknowledgements for two packets: the > (unencrypted) packet containing the FINISHED message, and the (1-RTT) packet > containing the request. It runs its loss recovery algorithm > (OnLossDetectionAlarm), and since there is one outstanding handshake packet, > it retransmit all outstanding handshake packets. > > Now we’ve run into a situation we can’t recover from: The server won’t even > open packet sent as a retransmission (since these packets are unencrypted, > and arrive after it already received a 1-RTT packet), and the client will > never retransmit the request packet. Furthermore, the server won't send any > other packets, since it's just waiting for a request from the client. > > I think the solution for this is to also retransmit 1-RTT packets in a case > like this. Can we just apply the normal retransmission rules in > OnLossDetectionAlarm, even if there are still handshake packets outstanding? > >
- Unrecoverable loss pattern Marten Seemann
- RE: Unrecoverable loss pattern Nick Banks
- Re: Unrecoverable loss pattern Marten Seemann
- RE: Unrecoverable loss pattern Nick Banks
- Re: Unrecoverable loss pattern Martin Thomson
- Re: Unrecoverable loss pattern Marten Seemann
- Re: Unrecoverable loss pattern Christian Huitema
- Re: Unrecoverable loss pattern Marten Seemann
- Re: Unrecoverable loss pattern Martin Thomson
- Re: Unrecoverable loss pattern Christian Huitema
- Re: Unrecoverable loss pattern Mikkel Fahnøe Jørgensen
- Re: Unrecoverable loss pattern Mikkel Fahnøe Jørgensen
- Re: Unrecoverable loss pattern Martin Thomson
- Re: Unrecoverable loss pattern Christian Huitema
- Re: Unrecoverable loss pattern Ian Swett
- Re: Unrecoverable loss pattern Mikkel Fahnøe Jørgensen
- Re: Unrecoverable loss pattern Martin Thomson
- Re: Unrecoverable loss pattern Martin Thomson
- Re: Unrecoverable loss pattern Ian Swett
- Re: Unrecoverable loss pattern Martin Thomson
- Re: Unrecoverable loss pattern Christian Huitema
- Re: Unrecoverable loss pattern Christian Huitema
- Re: Unrecoverable loss pattern Mikkel Fahnøe Jørgensen
- Re: Unrecoverable loss pattern Ian Swett
- Re: Unrecoverable loss pattern Mikkel Fahnøe Jørgensen