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Re: Should the specifications hard-refer to UDP?

Jana Iyengar <jri.ietf@gmail.com> Fri, 04 September 2020 22:15 UTC

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From: Jana Iyengar <jri.ietf@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 2020 15:15:06 -0700
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Subject: Re: Should the specifications hard-refer to UDP?
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Hi Behcet,

Thank you for pointing out this glaring omission! It's now been fixed in
https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4073.

- jana

On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 8:37 AM Behcet Sarikaya <sarikaya2012@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I had a somewhat related question/comment on UDP/QUIC relationship.
>
> QUIC draft mentions UDP in many places, it says QUIC is UDP-based but in
> the draft RFC 768 is not listed as a reference informative/normative.
>
> Second, probably more importantly, UDP header has the fields
> source/destination port and checksum. These are not mentioned in the draft.
> I wonder why?
>
> If these issues were discussed before please give me a link so I can check.
>
> Regards,
> Behcet
>
> On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 3:35 AM Magnus Westerlund <magnus.westerlund=
> 40ericsson.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> (Without my AD hat, instead as a contributor to MASQUE)
>>
>> On Tue, 2020-08-18 at 11:19 +0100, Lucas Pardue wrote:
>> > However, there is a concrete use case in the IETF for exchanging QUIC
>> packets
>> > not in plain old UDP datagrams - MASQUE [1]. Perhaps that could be a
>> suitable
>> > venue for some of the things you have in mind?
>>
>> But, MASQUE will provide UDP/IP semantics for a end-to-end QUIC
>> connection over
>> MASQUE. As mentiond by Martin, QUIC is dependent on some lower layer
>> functions
>> and that is why I am trying to start a discussion about the need to
>> preserve
>> these services/functions in MASQUE. See
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-westerlund-masque-transport-issues/
>>
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Magnus Westerlund
>>
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