Re: Big TP codespace

David Schinazi <dschinazi.ietf@gmail.com> Wed, 15 May 2019 17:44 UTC

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From: David Schinazi <dschinazi.ietf@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 15 May 2019 10:44:15 -0700
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Subject: Re: Big TP codespace
To: Mike Bishop <mbishop@evequefou.be>
Cc: Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com>, IETF QUIC WG <quic@ietf.org>, Christian Huitema <huitema@huitema.net>, Martin Duke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com>
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@ekr, the principle I was endorsing is the one Mike mentioned.

On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 10:20 AM Mike Bishop <mbishop@evequefou.be> wrote:

> We agreed in Tokyo that we would not mandate that implementations check
> for improper peer behavior when doing so required substantial extra work.
> Implementations MUST error out on easily-detected errors, but only
> SHOULD/MAY error on things they would have to actively check (unless
> they’re already required to actively check for security reasons, in which
> case there’s no *extra* work).
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> *From:* QUIC <quic-bounces@ietf.org> *On Behalf Of * Eric Rescorla
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 14, 2019 5:21 PM
> *To:* David Schinazi <dschinazi.ietf@gmail.com>
> *Cc:* IETF QUIC WG <quic@ietf.org>; Christian Huitema <huitema@huitema.net>;
> Martin Duke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com>
> *Subject:* Re: Big TP codespace
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> What's the bigger principle you are endorsing? What errors "like this" are
> we not requiring detection of?
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> On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 5:19 PM David Schinazi <dschinazi.ietf@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Our implementation checks for duplicates only for the transport parameters
> it supports. I think #2691
> <https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2691/files> is the correct
> solution.
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> +1 to the design principle of encouraging but not requiring detection of
> errors like this
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> David
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> On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 2:06 PM Christian Huitema <huitema@huitema.net
> <huitema@huitema..net>> wrote:
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> > On May 13, 2019, at 1:58 PM, Martin Duke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > What do people think?
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> I think the general rule of protocol policing should be "MUST NOT" do
> dastardly stuff, and "MAY" drop the connection when that happens.
>
> -- Christian Huitema
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>