Re: Unrecoverable loss pattern

Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com> Thu, 01 March 2018 21:30 UTC

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From: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2018 08:30:02 +1100
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Subject: Re: Unrecoverable loss pattern
To: Ian Swett <ianswett@google.com>
Cc: Christian Huitema <huitema@huitema.net>, Marten Seemann <martenseemann@gmail.com>, IETF QUIC WG <quic@ietf.org>
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On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 6:13 AM, Ian Swett <ianswett@google.com> wrote:
> Related Q: At some point, weren't we discussing not sending finished?

This has come up a few times.  We'd start encrypting Finished before
we did that.